Ranatoro Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 is it fulcher, haddix, or woodson.Fulcher, with his 69 ms, 75 hp, and 69 int seems like the best choice. however, suppose you defined run stopping ability as ms+hp, and pass stopping ability as ms+int. In that case, Rod Woodson, with his 75 ms, 69 hp, and 63 int would actually equal fulcher in both categories, and it is tough to underestimate the effect of that extra speed. Then we have wayne haddix, and although he can be overpowered a bit with his 44 hp, is a full two levels above the other two guys in pass defense, with his 75 ms, 75 int- an absolute nightmare against any pass-first offense. This has been spinning around in my head with relation to the hstl, where alignments and such are up to the coaches, so arguments like "fulcher is in the best spot" are interesting, but don't clear up my dilemma at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFLTecmo Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I think if someone is your main guy, you don't want him being able to be thrown off by a runner or reciever, so I'd take the HP into consideration first among these 3 evenly matched players, and Haddix is out. Then it's your choice among Woodson and Fulcher. I'd go with Woodson if they had even HP, but I like Fulcher for that, and his INT is better as well, for one less speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Beebe Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I need the HP. Nothing is more dominant than running over people without a grapple. Fulcher can run over several starting RB's without a grapple. Add that in with his INT numbers and he is the best choice at DB.Woodson is a close second, is my opinion. I just don't feel as dominant with Haddix for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 where is mark carrier?scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruddog Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Haddix is my man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronic Virus Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I am unstoppable with LT, and Fulch is LT with 69 INT ... so I gotta go with Fulcher. But Woodson, Haddix & Carrier have some talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranatoro Posted January 15, 2003 Author Share Posted January 15, 2003 i could have included carrier, but 56 ms just doesn't cut it. A careful passing game that spreads the field almost completely neutralizes him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisOliver Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Haddix is the best. He is so clearly the best pass defender in the game and running around at 75 speed he's not too shabby against the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronic Virus Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 I dunno, Kirby Jackson can be quite a demon when he wants to be ... (which is, about ... one play a season) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nameless Loser Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Survey question: Do you guys consistently run over MAN RBs with Fulcher? I know he can smack down a lot of CPU guys, but I wanted to get an idea of how much human players can do it, since I haven't had Fulcher or LT or any huge HP player for a while now to where I can assess their performance. I need the HP. Nothing is more dominant than running over people without a grapple. Fulcher can run over several starting RB's without a grapple. Add that in with his INT numbers and he is the best choice at DB.Woodson is a close second, is my opinion. I just don't feel as dominant with Haddix for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranatoro Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 if by "run over" you mean those popcorn style tackles that lt gets whenever he runs into a qb, then no. I have fulcher in hstl, and the only time he popcorns a human ball carrier is sometimes right after a wr makes a catch, they will instantly go down. But even against a guy like thurman thomas or dave meggett, a grapple is required to take them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo136 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Fulcher, because he's just in the "right place". However, if you could move Woodson over to one of the safety spots, I'd go with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smacaskill Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I'd go with Carrier. Maybe it's because I use the Bears more than any other team but Carrier seems to make more plays for me than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grogan Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson.woodson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miser Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 To Tell you the truth, I have found that I get more interceptions with Carrier than the rest of them.However, when I play against the good DBs it is a completely different story. Rod Woodsen and Wayne Haddix give me nightmares and a Ryan Leaf like QB Rating. However, I have to give the edge to Rod Woodsen because I have seen him make interceptions that I thought were impossible. That 75 ms is a killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadawim Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I'd have to go real old school and say Ronnie Lott. This was a little past his prime, but all you have to do is put his name on the screen and your opponent gets a little queasy. There ain't too many players he has to grapple to the ground.Typically, i don't care too much about hitting or INTs, i just want speed. I have one of those "nerve problems" so most of my opponents can't out-grapple me anyway. Fulcher, Woodson, Lott, Haddix, Sanders, Atwater, McDonald, Browner, Allen, White, McMillian, Waters, Johnson all have the speed i like to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smacaskill Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I forgot about Lott. I'll change my vote from Carrier to Lott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 lott got a raw deal in tsb if you ask me. 50 int? the man led the league in interceptions in 1991 if I'm not mistaken (with the raiders though). if I'm playing as the 49ers then waymer has always been the star for mescott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisOliver Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 1991 hadn't happened yet, but hey, hes still the best player at the best defensive position in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nameless Loser Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 It would be extremely close for me between Haddix, Woodson, and Fulcher. Haddix is all-around great but he can underachieve and he does not stand up well in the HP department. Fulcher is a beast at stopping the run and has pretty good speed as well and does not fade away most games, but he does not usually become possessed. Woodson is kind of in no-man's land there because he has some HP and some INTs and great speed, but he becomes possessed a lot no matter what Tecmo version it is and that makes him so much better. Lott is not a consideration (for me) because even though he becomes very very possessed when his condition rises, he does not perform at a _great_ level otherwise and I don't know if I want to rely on him being possessed 16 games out of the year. I don't think I would pick Haddix first in a draft because I would have to feature him in the run-stopping game and that would not work well if you had blockers coming up on your struggle. If you had the 2-DB style draft in HSTL 4 that the members of this board were discussing with regards to Lind's team, then you would want to pick Lott, no question, because you also get Waymer with that. Bussey isn't that good compared to Waymer, and that also means you get two great safeties who can INTercept. However, on just those 3 guys, if all of them were still on the board, I'd try to trade down and see if I could get one of those 3 later on, in exchange for additional draft picks in the 5th-6th rounds where you can definitely still get quality players who can start for you. If it came down to it and I couldn't trade down or up for a great offensive player, then I think I would have to go with Woodson because you get Dwayne Woodruff who is clearly better than Bussey in the ratings. If you don't trust your thumb however with lag and such, choose Fulcher for security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Fulcher Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Obviously I'm a little biased and would pick Fulcher over anyone else. I liked the description of how he was LT with interceptions. Not only are his numbers great, but with Fulcher you can get hot and get a special connection where you can actually call his interceptions. He has single-handedly dominated a MAN 49ers team for me, and you only have to press B once to get to him (always a plus...I'm lazy).However, you're exactly right about Ronnie Lott. I pee my pants when I see that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Lyght Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Hey and Erik McMillan ???and Ronnie Lippett ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott Posted January 21, 2003 Share Posted January 21, 2003 mcmillan is really good but I rarely use the jetsscott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranatoro Posted January 21, 2003 Author Share Posted January 21, 2003 not to mention, how could either of those guys possibly be better than fulcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2steppinlonnieyoung Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 the answer is fulcher. safties are better than corners that can be blown up by 2 and sometimes 3 blockers. haddix has no hitting power so that's especially true of him. woodson lacks the INT prowess of the top notch. carrier isn't fast enough. fulcher lacks nothing. i'd put lott at #2. he's fulcher minus the great handshonorable mention - ronnie lippett. gotta agree with mr. lyght. he's a performer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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