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19 minutes ago, TecmoSuperFan said:
i know the Ronnie Lott Raiders card is for face reference, but i think its interesting that he briefly wore the red and yellow KC jersey, like so:
It's surprisingly difficult to find good head shots of some of these players. Everybody's always wearing helmets. I didn't know he signed with the Chiefs at the end of his career. Too bad he was hurt in the preseason and never played a game for them. I thought that pic was the 49ers again. The card I shared is from his first year as a Raider in 1991, but he was still with the 49ers in the pic. Here's a couple of shots of him looking more like a Raider:
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I think of this as the Ronnie Lott face, so I was mildly surprised to rediscover that it was used for 7 other players, including Freeman McNeil and Rodney Peete (photos below next to Lott). Looking at photos of these guys now, I think this was designed as Peete's face. They seem to have placed priority on QBs in general, and this face looks the most like him.
IND. WR1 bill BROOKS Face=0xab #80 38 69 38 13 50 69 [1 5 5 10 ] JETS RB2 freeman MCNEIL Face=0xab #24 38 69 38 19 50 25 [4 2 6 2 ] CIN. RB4 s. JENNINGS Face=0xab #36 38 69 38 25 50 25 [4 2 6 0 ] DEN. SS dennis SMITH Face=0xab #49 38 44 56 50 44 63 [7 38 ] DET. QB1 rodney PEETE Face=0xab #9 25 69 31 13 38 44 31 25 [6 3 2 ] MIN. ROLB m. MERRIWEATHER Face=0xab #57 31 44 50 56 44 69 [20 12 ] N.O. RCB toi COOK Face=0xab #41 25 31 38 38 44 38 [5 76 ] S.F. FS ronnie LOTT Face=0xab #42 44 56 69 69 50 75 [1 51 ] -
The Headbands
I can't find photos of any of these players wearing headbands. You know who is in a lot of photos wearing headbands? Jim McMahon. You know who has a Tecmo face without a headband? Jim McMahon. Photos are Hoss, Landeta, and Bostic. The Tecmo faces are good likenesses, just not sure why they have headbands:
CIN. RE jason BUCK Face=0x19 #99 25 31 38 50 19 25 [7 3 ] GIA. QB2 jeff HOSTETLER Face=0x19 #15 25 69 25 13 38 31 38 19 [5 4 0 ] GIA. P sean LANDETA Face=0x1c #5 25 56 44 31 81 81 [12 ] WAS. C jeff BOSTIC Face=0x1c #53 25 69 38 69 T.B. LT paul GRUBER Face=0x1c #74 25 69 25 50 N.O. C joel HILGENBERG Face=0x1c #61 25 69 44 50 S.F. LILB matt MILLEN Face=0x1c #54 25 38 50 63 31 63 [3 7 ] Just for fun, here's a photo of McMahon in all his headband glory. I'm thinking about combining the bottom half of his Tecmo face with the top half of Hoss, but that would be too much like work.
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Back in the early days of Tecmo, both before and after this forum was created, before many people knew much of anything, there was something called the NT Dive. It is universally frowned upon today, often being deemed an illegal move in leagues and tourneys, to the point that you feel dirty doing it even when you're playing by yourself. But when you first discovered it, back around 1992, you thought it was a really clever way to stop a cracked out computer. When you played as the Lions so you could run circles around the opposition with Barry Sanders, there weren't many options on defense. You had Michael Cofer and that's about it. But thanks to the NT Dive, Jerry Ball's 44rp (second in the game only to Bob Nelson's 69rp for NTs) and 69hp made him a Tecmo Legend in my book, because I had no idea who he was in real life. He was a 3-time Pro Bowler, but there was no way I was going to be aware of a NT from Detroit, although of course he also ended up as a Raider when he got older:
CLE. RT tony JONES Face=0xa7 #66 25 69 25 50 SEA. TE2 travis MCNEAL Face=0xa7 #86 25 69 25 44 50 31 [1 3 9 0 ] PHX. RE rod SADDLER Face=0xa7 #72 25 31 38 50 19 50 [25 1 ] DET. NT jerry BALL Face=0xa7 #93 31 44 44 69 19 69 [20 1 ] ATL. C jamie DUKES Face=0xa7 #64 25 69 19 50 -
Mike Singletary! Man, look at those eyes, he's comin for ya!
PIT. LT john JACKSON Face=0xa6 #65 25 69 25 50 RAI. RB4 greg BELL Face=0xa6 #28 44 69 31 38 50 19 [4 1 7 0 ] CHI. LILB mike SINGLETARY Face=0xa6 #50 38 50 56 75 19 81 [7 7 ] RAMS LT irv PANKEY Face=0xa6 #75 25 69 25 63 -
On 6/8/2019 at 12:49 AM, bruddog said:
Because two of the best runs in the game go right at him.
Pro t up the middle run 2 and run 3 sweep.
Its kinda silly but the middle lbs are pretty awful positions for defending most of the best runs because of the blocking schemes.
I guess I'm just used to playing against the computer. I played a couple of preseason games with CHI against SD to see how I could use Singletary, giving SD those two run plays, plus better plays in the other slots. I just called R&S Run 3 every play. If it was a R&S formation, I used Carrier. If it was something else, I used Singletary. He's unblocked up the middle on all the good pass plays I put in. On the Run 2 play, you can time a dive so you tackle Butts before you get blocked. Sometimes I missed even against the computer, so I can see how trying that against another MAN player would be difficult.
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Okay, buckle up, this is a weird one. I was looking at the faces with short hair when I was doing the Bald Guys post, and of course I came across these three faces. I know this is probably common knowledge at this point, but I had completely forgotten that they also got Johnny Johnson's race wrong. But then it gets interesting. First, here's the faces and photos of Johnson and Andre Rison:
Face=0x3c Face=0x3d Face=0xd3
JETS RG dave CADIGAN Face=0x3d #66 25 69 31 50 PHX. RB1 johnny JOHNSON Face=0x3d #39 38 69 50 38 50 38 [7 3 6 2 ]
ATL. WR2 andre RISON Face=0xd3 #80 44 69 63 13 50 75 [1 9 9 12 ] Now, Face 3C is not used for any player, but it is identical to Face 3D. I feel it's also worth noting that it would be easy to mistype D3 as 3D, so maybe Face 3D was only intended for Dave Cadigan. Except that's also a mistake, because Dave Cadigan looks nothing like that face:
but he does look a lot like this face: which happens to be Face 1D, making 3D a potential typo again.
This means that both Face 3C and 3D do not represent any real players on the original rom.
(Nobody tell Tailback King about any of this, he's full of enough conspiracies)
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The Bald Guys
Seeing Bald Bo reminded me of these faces again. There are a number of Tecmo faces that appear to have very short hair or are balding, but only three faces are completely bald/shaved without a pixel of hair. Photos are Mark Murphy, Greg Townsend, Ottis Anderson, and Ronnie Harmon. Anderson started shaving his head when he joined the Giants, but I couldn't find a photo of him completely bald from his playing days, so this one is from 1997. Harmon has stubble here, too, but fuck it, close enough:
G.B. SS mark MURPHY Face=0x37 #37 25 31 44 44 50 38 [9 71 ] MIA. RG harry GALBREATH Face=0x93 #62 25 69 38 63 PIT. LE keith WILLIS Face=0x93 #93 25 38 44 44 19 56 [51 7 ] RAI. RE greg TOWNSEND Face=0x93 #93 38 50 56 63 31 69 [71 20 ] S.D. RCB sam SEALE Face=0x93 #30 38 44 56 38 50 44 [0 35 ] GIA. RB1 ottis ANDERSON Face=0x93 #24 56 69 50 88 75 31 [7 3 7 4 ] PIT. RE donald EVANS Face=0xbc #66 25 38 44 50 19 56 [33 2 ] DEN. RB4 melvin BRATTON Face=0xbc #32 44 69 25 44 50 38 [3 4 8 2 ] S.D. RB4 ronnie HARMON Face=0xbc #33 38 69 31 25 50 50 [4 4 4 8 ] PHX. RG lance SMITH Face=0xbc #61 25 69 31 38 -
Bruddog, I don't really play Man games so forgive this question if it seems noobish, but why isn't Singletary useful against the run? He's the third or fourth best LB in the game and a big factor in my thinking, and you've dismissed him as essentially useless.
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I always thought it was funny that Bo Jackson was essentially the face of the game, and they didn't even give him his own face. Did they think Montana was going to carry the game for 25 years? Noobs want to be Bo. Photos are Bo, and lookalikes Joe Kelly (in his lone season as a Raider in 1993, everyone becomes a Raider when they get older) and Floyd Turner. Below that is that Tecmo Bo commercial with Brian Bosworth. Bosworth was not actually in Tecmo Super Bowl, but he was in Tecmo Bowl. That's a modified rom in the commercial ?
BUF. WR4 al EDWARDS Face=0x9a #85 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 4 7 2 ] JETS ROLB joe KELLY Face=0x9a #58 25 31 31 44 19 31 [8 3 ] HOU. WR4 tony JONES Face=0x9a #82 25 69 19 13 81 50 [1 6 12 0 ] RAI. RB1 bo JACKSON Face=0x9a #34 38 69 75 31 81 19 [12 1 9 0 ] G.B. TE2 jackie HARRIS Face=0x9a #80 25 69 25 44 50 31 [1 2 8 1 ] N.O. WR4 floyd TURNER Face=0x9a #88 31 69 31 13 50 44 [1 4 10 4 ] -
I always thought CHI was the better overall team because they have so much on defense, but I guess if you can't use that D effectively it becomes much less of an advantage.
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Face=0x4f is used for 7 players, but I always think of it as the Howie Long face since he's one of my favorite players. Photos are of him, Trace Armstrong, and Bill Romanowski. All three of them are with my Raiders in these photos. I don't remember Romanowski ever looking that badass when he was on the 49ers. I'm just saying.
HOU. WR3 doug LLOYD Face=0x4f #35 38 69 38 25 81 25 [3 2 4 0 ] RAI. LE howie LONG Face=0x4f #75 38 50 56 69 31 69 [38 1 ] S.D. NT les MILLER Face=0x4f #69 25 38 44 56 19 44 [7 0 ] PHX. RB3 ron WOLFLEY Face=0x4f #24 38 69 38 38 50 25 [3 1 3 0 ] CHI. LE trace ARMSTRONG Face=0x4f #93 31 44 50 63 19 69 [84 2 ] G.B. LILB brian NOBLE Face=0x4f #91 25 31 31 31 19 31 [9 2 ] S.F. ROLB bill ROMANOWSKI Face=0x4f #53 31 44 50 50 19 63 [7 1 ] Interestingly, I'm (still) working on a 2002 rom, and I forgot Armstrong was on the original with the Bears. I used Face=0x1e for him:
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Known almost as well for his hair and getting arrested as for crushing QBs, I present today's face, another one that was designed specifically for this player and not used for anyone else, the one, the only, the third opening TSB animation after Joe Montana and Barry Sanders:
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GIA. ROLB lawrence TAYLOR Face=0xcf #56 44 56 69 75 31 81 [115 6 ] - kamphuna8, Nelson79 and segathonsov
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A final word about mullets. Bob Golic (Face=0x49) and Face=0x05 are pretty much mullets, but I had already made the post about them before I decided to do the mullets. I also may have missed a couple, there were a goddamn lot of mullets in 1990. I'm done with them. On to other faces (and hair)...
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I didn't have time to do this yesterday, so two today. First up is The Blond Mullets. Photos are Elway, Andersen, Warren, Caravello (only photo I could find of him without his helmet, it's an ad from 1988 and he had no goatee), and Proehl:
Face=0x0e Face=0x27 Face=0x39 Face=0x14 Face=0x4d
IND. TE1 pat BEACH Face=0x0e #81 25 69 25 50 50 38 [1 2 5 2 ] DEN. QB1 john ELWAY Face=0x0e #7 25 69 25 13 75 31 69 50 [5 7 1 ] IND. RG brian BALDINGER Face=0x27 #62 25 69 38 38 K.C. RT rich BALDINGER Face=0x27 #77 25 69 25 69 RAI. RILB scott DAVIS Face=0x27 #70 25 38 44 63 25 63 [51 1 ] N.O. K morten ANDERSEN Face=0x27 #7 56 81 81 31 56 69 [8 ] CLE. RG gregg RAKOCZY Face=0x39 #73 25 69 25 50 WAS. TE1 don WARREN Face=0x39 #85 25 69 19 38 81 31 [1 3 7 1 ] G.B. WR4 jeff QUERY Face=0x39 #85 31 69 31 13 50 50 [5 4 8 4 ] N.O. RT stan BROCK Face=0x39 #67 25 69 44 69 S.D. RB3 joe CARAVELLO Face=0x14 #46 38 69 25 44 50 25 [3 3 3 0 ] CLE. LOLB clay MATTHEWS Face=0x4e #57 25 38 44 38 19 38 [66 12 ] PHX. WR1 ricky PROEHL Face=0x4e #87 25 69 19 13 50 69 [1 6 8 10 ] N.O. LT kevin HAVERDINK Face=0x4e #74 25 69 25 56 I've used both Face 14 and Face 4e for Jeremy Shockey:
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The Mullets part 2: photos are Munchak, O'Brien, Mersereau, Brister, and Spielman:
Face=0x2c Face=0x0c Face=0x48 Face=0x1d Face=0x30
HOU. LG mike MUNCHAK Face=0x2c #63 25 69 31 63 DAL. C mark STEPNOSKI Face=0x2c #53 25 69 38 38 G.B. P don BRACKEN Face=0x2c #17 25 56 44 31 25 50 [3 ] JETS QB1 ken O.BRIEN Face=0x0c #7 25 69 13 13 56 50 44 38 [2 4 2 ] HOU. LOLB ray CHILDRESS Face=0x0c #79 38 50 56 63 19 69 [59 0 ] WAS. RILB greg MANUSKY Face=0x0c #91 25 31 38 44 19 31 [5 1 ] CHI. ROLB jim MORRISSEY Face=0x0c #51 25 31 38 44 31 44 [0 20 ] DET. RT harvey SALEM Face=0x0c #73 25 69 25 50 G.B. RG ron HALLSTROM Face=0x0c #65 25 69 25 50 T.B. LG carl BAX Face=0x0c #75 25 69 25 38 ATL. P scott FULHAGE Face=0x0c #17 25 56 44 31 63 69 [9 ] RAMS C doug SMITH Face=0x0c #56 25 31 38 50 19 44 [20 0 ] S.F. P barry HELTON Face=0x0c #9 25 56 44 31 19 38 [2 ] S.F. RILB keith DELONG Face=0x0c #59 25 31 38 44 19 44 [2 1 ] BUF. LT will WOLFORD Face=0x48 #69 25 69 25 50 JETS NT scott MERSEREAU Face=0x48 #94 25 31 31 44 19 31 [43 0 ] CIN. RG brian BLADOS Face=0x48 #74 25 69 25 56 K.C. RE bill MAAS Face=0x48 #63 25 38 44 44 19 44 [20 0 ] PHI. RG ron SOLT Face=0x48 #66 25 69 19 38 CHI. C jay HILGENBERG Face=0x48 #63 25 69 50 63 T.B. C randy GRIMES Face=0x48 #60 25 69 38 31 JETS C jim SWEENEY Face=0x1d #53 25 69 38 44 PIT. QB1 bubby BRISTER Face=0x1d #6 25 69 13 13 75 25 56 38 [2 3 2 ] S.D. RG david RICHARDS Face=0x1d #65 25 69 25 69 CHI. QB1 jim HARBAUGH Face=0x1d #4 25 69 13 13 44 25 56 25 [3 5 2 ] BUF. RILB ray BENTLEY Face=0x30 #50 25 31 38 38 31 56 [13 10 ] S.D. LT joel PATTEN Face=0x30 #78 25 69 25 63 DET. LILB chris SPIELMAN Face=0x30 #54 31 44 50 56 19 50 [20 12 ] G.B. LG rich MORAN Face=0x30 #57 25 69 38 44 -
6 hours ago, DrFrolf said:
This kind of in-depth face comparison is fucking amazing. You are the @bruddog of face recognition.
Thanks, but Bruddog is the bruddog of everything Tecmo. He wrote about C0 being the most used face and Jim Kelly before me. I'm sure nothing here is news to him. I'm just tinkering around having fun.
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The Mullets part 1: Photos are Bavaro, Noonan, Munoz, Tatupu, Royals, and Vinny T.
Face=0x1a Face=0x44 Face=0x0b Face=0x47 Face=0x4a Face=0x23
GIA. TE1 mark BAVARO Face=0x1a #89 25 69 31 69 69 44 [1 6 9 6 ] JETS RE jeff LAGEMAN Face=0x44 #56 25 31 31 44 19 31 [38 0 ] N.E. LG chris GAMBOL Face=0x44 #74 25 69 19 50 HOU. LT don MAGGS Face=0x44 #78 25 69 25 50 DAL. NT danny NOONAN Face=0x44 #73 25 38 44 50 19 50 [38 2 ] PHI. LG mike SCHAD Face=0x44 #79 25 69 19 50 DET. RILB dennis GIBSON Face=0x44 #98 25 31 31 31 19 25 [5 5 ] N.O. P tommy BARNHARDT Face=0x44 #6 25 56 44 31 63 44 [9 ] BUF. NT jeff WRIGHT Face=0x0b #91 25 31 31 50 19 19 [30 7 ] CIN. LT anthony MUNOZ Face=0x0b #78 25 69 38 75 K.C. NT dan SALEAUMUA Face=0x0b #97 38 31 25 56 19 56 [30 1 ] MIN. C kirk LOWDERMILK Face=0x0b #63 25 69 38 63 N.E. RB4 mosi TATUPU Face=0x47 #30 38 69 31 31 50 25 [3 2 3 0 ] HOU. C jay PENNISON Face=0x47 #52 25 69 31 50 K.C. RG david LUTZ Face=0x47 #72 25 69 25 56 RAMS K mike LANSFORD Face=0x47 #1 56 81 81 31 19 25 [2 ] T.B. P mark ROYALS Face=0x4a
#3 25 56 44 31 38 69 [5 ] CLE. C mike BAAB Face=0x23 #61 25 69 38 44 CHI. P maury BUFORD Face=0x23 #8 25 56 44 31 31 25 [4 ] DET. RE dan OWENS Face=0x23 #70 25 31 38 56 19 56 [33 1 ] G.B. K chris JACKE Face=0x23 #13 56 81 81 31 56 38 [8 ] T.B. QB1 vinny TESTAVERDE Face=0x23 #14 25 69 31 13 31 56 44 44 [5 4 0 ] -
Speaking of Jheri curls. Photos are Fred Banks, Junior Seau, and Neon Deion:
Face=0xb3 Face=0x9e
MIA. WR3 fred BANKS Face=0xb3 #86 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 9 8 0 ] DEN. WR1 vance JOHNSON Face=0x9e #82 38 69 50 13 50 56 [1 6 9 10 ] K.C. WR3 j.j. BIRDEN Face=0x9e #88 31 69 38 13 50 44 [1 4 6 0 ] S.D. RILB junior SEAU Face=0x9e #55 25 31 38 44 19 38 [5 1 ] ATL. RCB deion SANDERS Face=0x9e #21 44 56 75 56 56 50 [1 59 ] RAMS FS anthony NEWMAN Face=0x9e #26 25 31 31 44 44 31 [6 25 ] -
It's pretty much all hair from hair on out. Here's two somewhat different hairstyles represented by the same Tecmo face. Gary Anderson had some kind of Jheri curl fade thing going on:
T.B. RB1 gary ANDERSON Face=0xcc #40 38 69 50 25 50 50 [6 6 5 6 ] N.O. LOLB rickey JACKSON Face=0xcc #57 25 31 38 38 19 56 [38 3 ] - kamphuna8 and Donnie Dohnson
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Is this considered a mohawk?
DEN. RB1 bobby HUMPHREY Face=0x8c #26 38 69 63 38 50 38 [9 4 6 2 ] PHI. ROLB jessie SMALL Face=0x8c #52 25 31 38 44 19 44 [9 3 ] - kamphuna8, Nelson79 and Donnie Dohnson
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Okay, if you're following along, you knew I was going to get to Face=0x3b. This is the face that was used for Rod Woodson. I find it funny that they would go through the trouble of giving him his own face, presumably because he was such an iconic player, and then get the color wrong. Another strange quirk of Tecmo. It does kind of look like him, though, especially that hairline:
PIT. RCB rod WOODSON Face=0x3b #26 44 56 75 69 63 75 [0 76 ] - Nelson79, kamphuna8 and segathonsov
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Meet Team C0. With 18 players, this is the most used face in the game. All they need is a QB, K & P, and a few more defensive players. The photos are Kevin Mack (that's Earnest Byner with him), Hassan Jones, and James Francis:
CLE. RB1 kevin MACK Face=0xc0 #34 44 69 31 88 50 44 [4 3 4 6 ] IND. RB1 ivy joe HUNTER Face=0xc0 #45 38 69 31 50 50 25 [3 2 2 2 ] MIN. WR1 hassan JONES Face=0xc0 #84 31 69 31 13 50 63 [1 5 9 6 ] S.F. WR3 mike WILSON Face=0xc0 #85 25 69 25 13 50 44 [1 7 9 1 ] RAI. TE1 ethan HORTON Face=0xc0 #88 25 69 44 50 50 44 [5 4 9 6 ] MIA. TE1 ferrell EDMUNDS Face=0xc0 #80 25 69 38 56 50 50 [1 6 10 4 ] PIT. TE1 eric GREEN Face=0xc0 #86 25 69 31 63 81 44 [1 4 6 4 ] PHX. TE1 walter REEVES Face=0xc0 #89 25 69 19 44 50 38 [1 1 5 0 ] HOU. TE2 (WR6) gerald MCNEIL Face=0xc0 #89 25 69 44 13 81 44 [6 5 10 0 ] T.B. TE2 jesse ANDERSON Face=0xc0 #89 25 69 31 44 50 31 [1 3 4 0 ] GIA. RG eric MOORE Face=0xc0 #60 25 69 31 63 DEN. LT darrell HAMILTON Face=0xc0 #69 25 69 25 56 DAL. RE tony TOLBERT Face=0xc0 #92 25 31 38 50 19 56 [46 2 ] RAMS RE brian SMITH Face=0xc0 #96 25 31 38 38 19 31 [22 1 ] CIN. ROLB james FRANCIS Face=0xc0 #50 31 44 50 69 19 63 [117 0 ] T.B. LILB eugene MARVE Face=0xc0 #99 25 31 31 31 19 25 [25 1 ] SEA. LOLB terry WOODEN Face=0xc0 #51 25 31 38 38 19 25 [6 12 ] DET. SS william WHITE Face=0xc0 #35 38 44 56 56 56 56 [3 89 ] - segathonsov, kamphuna8 and Nelson79
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TSB Face of the Day
in Tecmo Super Bowl - NES
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I didn't want to use this in the post about Marino because it doesn't really look like his Tecmo face, but this pic of him and Bernie Kosar from 1984 makes me laugh: