TomTupa Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 The Jets may have many questions, but nobody argues about Tupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Tenn Titans QB-Warren Moon George Blanda RB-Earl Campbell Eddie George Mike Rozier Charlie Tolar WR Heywood Jeffires Ernest Givins Derrick Mason Charlie Hennigan(first receiver to over 100 catches) TE Frank Wycheck Mike Barber OL Walter Suggs Brad Hopkins Bob Talamini Mike Munchack Bruce Matthews DL Sean Jones Curley Culp Ray Childress LB Kevin Carter Greg Bingham George Webster Javon Kearse CB Cris Dishman Samari Rolle Miller Farr Blaine Bishop K Al Del Greco P Craig Hentrich No Steve McNair, Elvin Bethea, Robert Brazile, Ken Burrough, Don Floyd, Willie Alexander, Jim Norton or Mike Reinfeldt? I thought about McNair but Blanda is a hall of famer(granted as a kicker) McNair is a good pick also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Tenn TitansNo Steve McNair, Elvin Bethea, Robert Brazile, Ken Burrough, Don Floyd, Willie Alexander, Jim Norton or Mike Reinfeldt? no shit!? Reinfeldt (DB) = 1-time Pro Bowler & 2-time All-Pro Brazile (LB) = 7-time Pro Bowler & 8-time All-Pro Norton (DB) = 3-time Pro Bowler & 3-time All-Pro (all time AFL INT leader) Bethea (DE) = Hall of Fame in 2003, 8-time Pro Bowler & 8-time All-Pro and don't forget HOFer Kenneth Ray Houston (DB) = intercepted 49 passes, recovered 21 fumbles. In 1971 he set an NFL record with 5 touchdown returns (four interceptions and one fumble). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Tenn TitansNo Steve McNair, Elvin Bethea, Robert Brazile, Ken Burrough, Don Floyd, Willie Alexander, Jim Norton or Mike Reinfeldt? no shit!? Reinfeldt (DB) = 1-time Pro Bowler & 2-time All-Pro Brazile (LB) = 7-time Pro Bowler & 8-time All-Pro Norton (DB) = 3-time Pro Bowler & 3-time All-Pro (all time AFL INT leader) Bethea (DE) = Hall of Fame in 2003, 8-time Pro Bowler & 8-time All-Pro and don't forget HOFer Kenneth Ray Houston (DB) = intercepted 49 passes, recovered 21 fumbles. In 1971 he set an NFL record with 5 touchdown returns (four interceptions and one fumble). yeah I've been looking at some of the rosters zep posted and there's a few problems. The main thing is I am not putting guys on more than one team. So for example, Bal, no Priest Holmes because he goes on KC. The only exception I made here is Night Train Lane, for obvious reasons. You mentioned a receiver - can always plug in another WR. I know I didn't like your RB3 and 4 for NE, I went with Maroney and Tony Collins. Your first two I kept, they were good. McNair is probably better than Kyle Boller, but he didn't have much of an impact on Bal yet, so Boller is the backup to Dilhole (I went against form here because Dilfer's one year there they won the SB and I didn't use him for any other team.) Anyway, no need to pick apart every team zep did, I'm checking all of his choices anyway to make sure there aren't better ones. At the least, it gives me somewhere to start besides just continuing down the all-time lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTupa Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Wasn't McNair NFL MVP for the Titans? Wow Blanda once threw 42 ints in a season for the Titans... that's awesome! And they criticize coaches now for sticking with qbs.... Can you imagine that now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBeef Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Nfl network just rebroadcast SB 3 NYJ-BAL.It was a trip WRs in 3 point stance, By todays standards late hits galore and good ole Joe Willie Namath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsoby1 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 How is Laurence Maroney an All-Time Pats RB? He hasn't really done that much at all, and is above average at best so far. Corey Dillon should easily beat him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 How is Laurence Maroney an All-Time Pats RB? He hasn't really done that much at all, and is above average at best so far. Corey Dillon should easily beat him out.He does, but he played 7 years for the Bengals (3 time Pro Bowler), so that's where he is. Gave him 56ms and a starting spot, Maroney only 44ms as a number 3 on the Pats.oh yeah, and I guess I lied, I'm not posting my partial rosters yet. When I'm done with RBs I'll put up all the QBs and RBs with ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 Here are my QBs, sorted by conference and team.AFCE,BUF, jim KELLY, Face=0x16, #12,25,69,13,13,56,69,63,63AFCE,BUF, joe FERGUSON, Face=0x13, #12,25,69,13,13,44,44,44,44AFCE,MIA, dan MARINO, Face=0x1f, #13,25,69,6,13,81,69,63,69AFCE,MIA, bob GRIESE, Face=0xa6, #12,25,69,6,13,56,56,56,63AFCE,NE, tom BRADY, Face=0x40, #12,25,69,13,13,56,81,81,81AFCE,NE, drew BLEDSOE, Face=0x10, #11,25,69,6,13,50,38,50,50AFCE,NYJ, joe NAMATH, Face=0x34, #12,25,69,6,13,56,50,56,63AFCE,NYJ, chad PENNINGTON, Face=0x22, #10,25,69,6,13,19,63,63,69AFCN,CIN, carson PALMER, Face=0xa, #9,25,69,6,13,56,69,63,63AFCN,CIN, ken ANDERSON, Face=0xa, #14,25,69,13,13,56,63,69,75AFCN,CLE, otto GRAHAM, Face=0x3f, #14,25,69,13,13,63,75,81,81AFCN,CLE, bernie KOSAR, Face=0x1f, #19,25,69,6,13,44,44,56,56AFCN,BAL, trent DILFER, Face=0xc7, #8,25,69,6,13,44,44,50,50AFCN,BAL, kyle BOLLER, Face=0x17, #7,25,69,6,13,44,38,44,56AFCN,PIT, terry BRADSHAW, Face=0x3f, #12,25,69,13,13,69,50,75,69AFCN,PIT, b ROETHLISBERGER, Face=0x93, #7,25,69,6,19,63,56,56,50AFCS,IND, peyton MANNING, Face=0x3f, #18,25,69,13,13,63,81,75,75AFCS,IND, johnny UNITAS, Face=0x1e, #19,25,69,13,13,56,75,63,69AFCS,HOU, david CARR, Face=0x10, #8,25,69,13,13,50,38,31,38AFCS,HOU, matt SCHAUB, Face=0x9, #8,25,69,13,13,38,38,44,56AFCS,JAC, mark BRUNELL, Face=0xc2, #8,25,69,13,13,38,56,56,63AFCS,JAC, david GARRARD, Face=0xa4, #9,25,69,19,19,50,50,50,56AFCS,TEN, warren MOON, Face=0x92, #1,25,69,13,13,75,50,50,63AFCS,TEN, george BLANDA, Face=0x2a, #16,25,69,6,13,56,38,50,44AFCW,DEN, john ELWAY, Face=0x5, #7,25,69,13,13,75,44,63,56AFCW,DEN, craig MORTON, Face=0x52, #7,25,69,6,13,44,38,56,50AFCW,KC, len DAWSON, Face=0xc, #16,25,69,13,13,44,69,63,63AFCW,KC, trent GREEN, Face=0x4c, #10,25,69,6,13,44,50,56,50AFCW,OAK, daryle LAMONICA, Face=0x1e, #3,25,69,13,13,69,50,56,63AFCW,OAK, ken STABLER, Face=0x1e, #12,25,69,6,13,38,56,63,69AFCW,SD, dan FOUTS, Face=0x17, #14,25,69,6,13,75,56,56,56AFCW,SD, drew BREES, Face=0x44, #9,25,69,6,13,44,63,69,75NFCE,WAS, sammy BAUGH, Face=0x91, #33,25,69,6,13,56,75,81,81NFCE,WAS, sonny JURGENSEN, Face=0x91, #9,25,69,13,13,69,63,69,63NFCE,NYG, y.a. TITTLE, Face=0x17, #14,25,69,13,13,56,56,63,50NFCE,NYG, phil SIMMS, Face=0x28, #11,25,69,13,13,44,56,56,63NFCE,PHI, randy CUNNINGHAM, Face=0xcf, #12,25,69,44,13,63,56,63,63NFCE,PHI, donovan MCNABB, Face=0x3f, #5,25,69,31,19,69,56,56,56NFCE,DAL, roger STAUBACH, Face=0x12, #12,25,69,13,13,56,75,56,63NFCE,DAL, troy AIKMAN, Face=0x1e, #8,25,69,13,13,56,56,50,50NFCN,CHI, sid LUCKMAN, Face=0x1d, #42,25,69,6,13,56,63,56,56NFCN,CHI, jim MCMAHON, Face=0x20, #9,25,69,13,13,50,44,50,44NFCN,DET, bobby LAYNE, Face=0x37, #22,25,69,13,13,56,50,56,56NFCN,DET, scott MITCHELL, Face=0x4f, #19,25,69,6,19,44,38,44,38NFCN,GB, brett FAVRE, Face=0xa, #4,25,69,13,13,81,56,69,63NFCN,GB, bart STARR, Face=0x8, #15,25,69,13,13,44,63,56,75NFCN,MIN, daunte CULPEPPER, Face=0x6, #11,25,69,31,25,69,63,63,63NFCN,MIN, fran TARKENTON, Face=0x6, #10,25,69,25,13,56,56,69,75NFCS,TB, brad JOHNSON, Face=0x3, #14,25,69,6,13,38,44,50,50NFCS,TB, doug WILLIAMS, Face=0x2e, #12,25,69,13,13,75,19,44,44NFCS,NO, archie MANNING, Face=0x20, #8,25,69,13,13,44,44,50,50NFCS,NO, bobby HEBERT, Face=0x17, #3,25,69,6,13,38,31,38,31NFCS,ATL, michael VICK, Face=0x24, #7,25,69,50,13,69,31,56,63NFCS,ATL, steve BARTKOWSKI, Face=0x24, #10,25,69,6,13,81,38,38,38NFCS,CAR, jake DELHOMME, Face=0x18, #17,25,69,6,13,50,50,56,56NFCS,CAR, kerry COLLINS, Face=0x19, #12,25,69,6,13,44,38,31,38NFCW,SF, joe MONTANA, Face=0x21, #16,25,69,13,13,56,81,81,75NFCW,SF, steve YOUNG, Face=0x3f, #8,25,69,31,13,63,75,81,81NFCW,STL, kurt WARNER, Face=0x25, #13,25,69,6,13,63,69,56,63NFCW,STL, norm VANBROCKLIN, Face=0x25, #11,25,69,6,13,56,56,56,56NFCW,SEA, matt HASSELBECK, Face=0xac, #8,25,69,13,13,56,56,56,56NFCW,SEA, dave KRIEG, Face=0xac, #17,25,69,13,13,31,56,56,69NFCW,ARI, jim HART, Face=0xc, #17,25,69,6,13,69,38,56,56NFCW,ARI, neil LOMAX, Face=0x4f, #15,25,69,13,13,56,44,56,50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 QBs by PC:AFCE,NE, tom BRADY, Face=0x40, #12,25,69,13,13,56,81,81,81 - 81AFCS,IND, peyton MANNING, Face=0x3f, #18,25,69,13,13,63,81,75,75NFCW,SF, joe MONTANA, Face=0x21, #16,25,69,13,13,56,81,81,75AFCN,CLE, otto GRAHAM, Face=0x3f, #14,25,69,13,13,63,75,81,81 - 75AFCS,IND, johnny UNITAS, Face=0x1e, #19,25,69,13,13,56,75,63,69NFCE,WAS, sammy BAUGH, Face=0x91, #33,25,69,6,13,56,75,81,81NFCE,DAL, roger STAUBACH, Face=0x12, #12,25,69,13,13,56,75,56,63NFCW,SF, steve YOUNG, Face=0x3f, #8,25,69,31,13,63,75,81,81AFCE,BUF, jim KELLY, Face=0x16, #12,25,69,13,13,56,69,63,63 - 69AFCE,MIA, dan MARINO, Face=0x1f, #13,25,69,6,13,81,69,63,69AFCN,CIN, carson PALMER, Face=0xa, #9,25,69,6,13,56,69,63,63AFCW,KC, len DAWSON, Face=0xc, #16,25,69,13,13,44,69,63,63NFCW,STL, kurt WARNER, Face=0x25, #13,25,69,6,13,63,69,56,63AFCE,NYJ, chad PENNINGTON, Face=0x22, #10,25,69,6,13,19,63,63,69 - 63AFCN,CIN, ken ANDERSON, Face=0xa, #14,25,69,13,13,56,63,69,75AFCW,SD, drew BREES, Face=0x44, #9,25,69,6,13,44,63,69,75NFCE,WAS, sonny JURGENSEN, Face=0x91, #9,25,69,13,13,69,63,69,63NFCN,CHI, sid LUCKMAN, Face=0x1d, #42,25,69,6,13,56,63,56,56NFCN,GB, bart STARR, Face=0x8, #15,25,69,13,13,44,63,56,75NFCN,MIN, daunte CULPEPPER, Face=0x6, #11,25,69,31,25,69,63,63,63AFCE,MIA, bob GRIESE, Face=0xa6, #12,25,69,6,13,56,56,56,63 - 56AFCN,PIT, b ROETHLISBERGER, Face=0x93, #7,25,69,6,19,63,56,56,50AFCS,JAC, mark BRUNELL, Face=0xc2, #8,25,69,13,13,38,56,56,63AFCW,OAK, ken STABLER, Face=0x1e, #12,25,69,6,13,38,56,63,69AFCW,SD, dan FOUTS, Face=0x17, #14,25,69,6,13,75,56,56,56NFCE,NYG, y.a. TITTLE, Face=0x17, #14,25,69,13,13,56,56,63,50NFCE,NYG, phil SIMMS, Face=0x28, #11,25,69,13,13,44,56,56,63NFCE,PHI, randy CUNNINGHAM, Face=0xcf, #12,25,69,44,13,63,56,63,63NFCE,PHI, donovan MCNABB, Face=0x3f, #5,25,69,31,19,69,56,56,56NFCE,DAL, troy AIKMAN, Face=0x1e, #8,25,69,13,13,56,56,50,50NFCN,GB, brett FAVRE, Face=0xa, #4,25,69,13,13,81,56,69,63NFCN,MIN, fran TARKENTON, Face=0x6, #10,25,69,25,13,56,56,69,75NFCW,STL, norm VANBROCKLIN, Face=0x25, #11,25,69,6,13,56,56,56,56NFCW,SEA, matt HASSELBECK, Face=0xac, #8,25,69,13,13,56,56,56,56NFCW,SEA, dave KRIEG, Face=0xac, #17,25,69,13,13,31,56,56,69AFCE,NYJ, joe NAMATH, Face=0x34, #12,25,69,6,13,56,50,56,63 - 50AFCN,PIT, terry BRADSHAW, Face=0x3f, #12,25,69,13,13,69,50,75,69AFCS,JAC, david GARRARD, Face=0xa4, #9,25,69,19,19,50,50,50,56AFCS,TEN, warren MOON, Face=0x92, #1,25,69,13,13,75,50,50,63AFCW,KC, trent GREEN, Face=0x4c, #10,25,69,6,13,44,50,56,50AFCW,OAK, daryle LAMONICA, Face=0x1e, #3,25,69,13,13,69,50,56,63NFCN,DET, bobby LAYNE, Face=0x37, #22,25,69,13,13,56,50,56,56NFCS,CAR, jake DELHOMME, Face=0x18, #17,25,69,6,13,50,50,56,56AFCE,BUF, joe FERGUSON, Face=0x13, #12,25,69,13,13,44,44,44,44 - 44AFCN,CLE, bernie KOSAR, Face=0x1f, #19,25,69,6,13,44,44,56,56AFCN,BAL, trent DILFER, Face=0xc7, #8,25,69,6,13,44,44,50,50AFCW,DEN, john ELWAY, Face=0x5, #7,25,69,13,13,75,44,63,56NFCN,CHI, jim MCMAHON, Face=0x20, #9,25,69,13,13,50,44,50,44NFCS,TB, brad JOHNSON, Face=0x3, #14,25,69,6,13,38,44,50,50NFCS,NO, archie MANNING, Face=0x20, #8,25,69,13,13,44,44,50,50NFCW,ARI, neil LOMAX, Face=0x4f, #15,25,69,13,13,56,44,56,50AFCE,NE, drew BLEDSOE, Face=0x10, #11,25,69,6,13,50,38,50,50 - 38AFCN,BAL, kyle BOLLER, Face=0x17, #7,25,69,6,13,44,38,44,56AFCS,HOU, david CARR, Face=0x10, #8,25,69,13,13,50,38,31,38AFCS,HOU, matt SCHAUB, Face=0x9, #8,25,69,13,13,38,38,44,56AFCS,TEN, george BLANDA, Face=0x2a, #16,25,69,6,13,56,38,50,44AFCW,DEN, craig MORTON, Face=0x52, #7,25,69,6,13,44,38,56,50NFCN,DET, scott MITCHELL, Face=0x4f, #19,25,69,6,19,44,38,44,38NFCS,ATL, steve BARTKOWSKI, Face=0x24, #10,25,69,6,13,81,38,38,38NFCS,CAR, kerry COLLINS, Face=0x19, #12,25,69,6,13,44,38,31,38NFCW,ARI, jim HART, Face=0xc, #17,25,69,6,13,69,38,56,56NFCS,NO, bobby HEBERT, Face=0x17, #3,25,69,6,13,38,31,38,31 - 31NFCS,ATL, michael VICK, Face=0x24, #7,25,69,50,13,69,31,56,63NFCS,TB, doug WILLIAMS, Face=0x2e, #12,25,69,13,13,75,19,44,44 - 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 super bowl mvp qb = 19 pc yeah, I know you're taking d williams from buccs era, but still...all time greats rom and a 19-pc-qb is the best you can find for buccs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstout Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 I was curious on how you did the speeds (MS) because some of them look odd at first glance. Fran Tarkenton, Roger "the Dodger" Staubach, Mark Brunell, and David Carr should all be 19 speeds. Each have better than average speed and approximately the same rushing yards per game (Tarkenton without the last 3 years that is).Example is of yards per game with your speed guys up to 2005 stats for the currents.Vick 48.6Cunningham 30.6McNabb 26.7Culpepper 30.5Young 25.08Tarkenton 17.6 (14.9 with last 3 years)Garrard 22.7------------Staubach 17.2Brunell 16.3Carr 17.3-------------Bradshaw 13.4Montana 8.7Marino 0.35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 Just to make it clear who my speed guys are: NFCS,ATL, michael VICK, Face=0x24, #7,25,69,50,13,69,31,56,63 NFCE,PHI, randy CUNNINGHAM, Face=0xcf, #12,25,69,44,13,63,56,63,63 NFCE,PHI, donovan MCNABB, Face=0x3f, #5,25,69,31,19,69,56,56,56 NFCN,MIN, daunte CULPEPPER, Face=0x6, #11,25,69,31,25,69,63,63,63 NFCW,SF, steve YOUNG, Face=0x3f, #8,25,69,31,13,63,75,81,81 NFCN,MIN, fran TARKENTON, Face=0x6, #10,25,69,25,13,56,56,69,75 AFCS,JAC, david GARRARD, Face=0xa4, #9,25,69,19,19,50,50,50,56 I went more by yards per season, rather than yards per game, with a focus on their most prolific years. So looking at the four best years of each, my ratings might make a little more sense: Vick (50) - 1039, 902, 777, 597 Randy (44) - 942, 624, 621, 549 McNabb (31) - 629, 482, 460, 355 Culpepper (31) - 609, 470, 422, 416 Young (31) - 537, 454, 425, 415 Fran (25) - 376, 361, 356, 330 (seven 300+ seasons) Garrard (19) - has not yet played an entire season, so I kind of penalized him 13ms Staubach - 343, 320, 316, 250 (only three years out of 11 at 300+) Brunell - 480, 396, 257, 236 (two years out of 13 with 300+ yards) Carr - 308, 299, 282, 195 (not even close) Staubach and Brunell I could see bumping up to 19, but definitely not Carr. I also gave some good QBs who had decent mobility but not great rushing totals, like Montana, 13ms instead of 6. I've seen Montana break off some nice scrambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 super bowl mvp qb = 19 pc yeah, I know you're taking d williams from buccs era, but still...all time greats rom and a 19-pc-qb is the best you can find for buccs? I couldn't resist making a 75ps/19pc QB, I thought it would be fun And on that note, here are my QBs sorted by PS: AFCE,MIA, dan MARINO, Face=0x1f, #13,25,69,6,13,81,69,63,69 - 81 NFCN,GB, brett FAVRE, Face=0xa, #4,25,69,13,13,81,56,69,63 NFCS,ATL, steve BARTKOWSKI, Face=0x24, #10,25,69,6,13,81,38,38,38 AFCS,TEN, warren MOON, Face=0x92, #1,25,69,13,13,75,50,50,63 - 75 AFCW,DEN, john ELWAY, Face=0x5, #7,25,69,13,13,75,44,63,56 AFCW,SD, dan FOUTS, Face=0x17, #14,25,69,6,13,75,56,56,56 NFCS,TB, doug WILLIAMS, Face=0x2e, #12,25,69,13,13,75,19,44,44 AFCN,PIT, terry BRADSHAW, Face=0x3f, #12,25,69,13,13,69,50,75,69 - 69 AFCW,OAK, daryle LAMONICA, Face=0x1e, #3,25,69,13,13,69,50,56,63 NFCE,WAS, sonny JURGENSEN, Face=0x91, #9,25,69,13,13,69,63,69,63 NFCE,PHI, donovan MCNABB, Face=0x3f, #5,25,69,31,19,69,56,56,56 NFCN,MIN, daunte CULPEPPER, Face=0x6, #11,25,69,31,25,69,63,63,63 NFCS,ATL, michael VICK, Face=0x24, #7,25,69,50,13,69,31,56,63 NFCW,ARI, jim HART, Face=0xc, #17,25,69,6,13,69,38,56,56 AFCN,CLE, otto GRAHAM, Face=0x3f, #14,25,69,13,13,63,75,81,81 - 63 AFCN,PIT, b ROETHLISBERGER, Face=0x93, #7,25,69,6,19,63,56,56,50 AFCS,IND, peyton MANNING, Face=0x3f, #18,25,69,13,13,63,81,75,75 NFCE,PHI, randy CUNNINGHAM, Face=0xcf, #12,25,69,44,13,63,56,63,63 NFCW,SF, steve YOUNG, Face=0x3f, #8,25,69,31,13,63,75,81,81 NFCW,STL, kurt WARNER, Face=0x25, #13,25,69,6,13,63,69,56,63 AFCE,BUF, jim KELLY, Face=0x16, #12,25,69,13,13,56,69,63,63 - 56 AFCE,MIA, bob GRIESE, Face=0xa6, #12,25,69,6,13,56,56,56,63 AFCE,NE, tom BRADY, Face=0x40, #12,25,69,13,13,56,81,81,81 AFCE,NYJ, joe NAMATH, Face=0x34, #12,25,69,6,13,56,50,56,63 AFCN,CIN, carson PALMER, Face=0xa, #9,25,69,6,13,56,69,63,63 AFCN,CIN, ken ANDERSON, Face=0xa, #14,25,69,13,13,56,63,69,75 AFCS,IND, johnny UNITAS, Face=0x1e, #19,25,69,13,13,56,75,63,69 AFCS,TEN, george BLANDA, Face=0x2a, #16,25,69,6,13,56,38,50,44 NFCE,WAS, sammy BAUGH, Face=0x91, #33,25,69,6,13,56,75,81,81 NFCE,NYG, y.a. TITTLE, Face=0x17, #14,25,69,13,13,56,56,63,50 NFCE,DAL, roger STAUBACH, Face=0x12, #12,25,69,13,13,56,75,56,63 NFCE,DAL, troy AIKMAN, Face=0x1e, #8,25,69,13,13,56,56,50,50 NFCN,CHI, sid LUCKMAN, Face=0x1d, #42,25,69,6,13,56,63,56,56 NFCN,DET, bobby LAYNE, Face=0x37, #22,25,69,13,13,56,50,56,56 NFCN,MIN, fran TARKENTON, Face=0x6, #10,25,69,25,13,56,56,69,75 NFCW,SF, joe MONTANA, Face=0x21, #16,25,69,13,13,56,81,81,75 NFCW,STL, norm VANBROCKLIN, Face=0x25, #11,25,69,6,13,56,56,56,56 NFCW,SEA, matt HASSELBECK, Face=0xac, #8,25,69,13,13,56,56,56,56 NFCW,ARI, neil LOMAX, Face=0x4f, #15,25,69,13,13,56,44,56,50 AFCE,NE, drew BLEDSOE, Face=0x10, #11,25,69,6,13,50,38,50,50 - 50 AFCS,HOU, david CARR, Face=0x10, #8,25,69,13,13,50,38,31,38 AFCS,JAC, david GARRARD, Face=0xa4, #9,25,69,19,19,50,50,50,56 NFCN,CHI, jim MCMAHON, Face=0x20, #9,25,69,13,13,50,44,50,44 NFCS,CAR, jake DELHOMME, Face=0x18, #17,25,69,6,13,50,50,56,56 AFCE,BUF, joe FERGUSON, Face=0x13, #12,25,69,13,13,44,44,44,44 - 44 AFCN,CLE, bernie KOSAR, Face=0x1f, #19,25,69,6,13,44,44,56,56 AFCN,BAL, trent DILFER, Face=0xc7, #8,25,69,6,13,44,44,50,50 AFCN,BAL, kyle BOLLER, Face=0x17, #7,25,69,6,13,44,38,44,56 AFCW,DEN, craig MORTON, Face=0x52, #7,25,69,6,13,44,38,56,50 AFCW,KC, len DAWSON, Face=0xc, #16,25,69,13,13,44,69,63,63 AFCW,KC, trent GREEN, Face=0x4c, #10,25,69,6,13,44,50,56,50 AFCW,SD, drew BREES, Face=0x44, #9,25,69,6,13,44,63,69,75 NFCE,NYG, phil SIMMS, Face=0x28, #11,25,69,13,13,44,56,56,63 NFCN,DET, scott MITCHELL, Face=0x4f, #19,25,69,6,19,44,38,44,38 NFCN,GB, bart STARR, Face=0x8, #15,25,69,13,13,44,63,56,75 NFCS,NO, archie MANNING, Face=0x20, #8,25,69,13,13,44,44,50,50 NFCS,CAR, kerry COLLINS, Face=0x19, #12,25,69,6,13,44,38,31,38 AFCS,HOU, matt SCHAUB, Face=0x9, #8,25,69,13,13,38,38,44,56 - 38 AFCS,JAC, mark BRUNELL, Face=0xc2, #8,25,69,13,13,38,56,56,63 AFCW,OAK, ken STABLER, Face=0x1e, #12,25,69,6,13,38,56,63,69 NFCS,TB, brad JOHNSON, Face=0x3, #14,25,69,6,13,38,44,50,50 NFCS,NO, bobby HEBERT, Face=0x17, #3,25,69,6,13,38,31,38,31 NFCW,SEA, dave KRIEG, Face=0xac, #17,25,69,13,13,31,56,56,69 - 31 AFCE,NYJ, chad PENNINGTON, Face=0x22, #10,25,69,6,13,19,63,63,69 - 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 Method of rating QB PC - I divided them into three and a half eras, modern (around 1980-present), '60s and '70s, pre-'60s, and Luckman and Baugh (just noticed the discrepancy in giving Luckman 63pc and Baugh 75pc, so I switched them both to 69.)Then I based it mostly on QB rating, but also factored in reputation (or lack thereof), ProBowl and All-Pro selections, and "big gamers" (like Bradshaw and Namath.). It wasn't very scientific, I just kind of went down the list and went on instinct.I try to base PS on actual arm strength, so Favre, Marino, and Bartkowski (one of the Polish rifles) get 81ps, and Pennington (called "ol' noodle arm" on one blog) gets 19.RBs will be up later tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickZepp Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I was curious on how you did the speeds (MS) because some of them look odd at first glance. Fran Tarkenton, Roger "the Dodger" Staubach, Mark Brunell, and David Carr should all be 19 speeds. Each have better than average speed and approximately the same rushing yards per game (Tarkenton without the last 3 years that is).Example is of yards per game with your speed guys up to 2005 stats for the currents.Vick 48.6Cunningham 30.6McNabb 26.7Culpepper 30.5Young 25.08Tarkenton 17.6 (14.9 with last 3 years)Garrard 22.7------------Staubach 17.2Brunell 16.3Carr 17.3-------------Bradshaw 13.4Montana 8.7Marino 0.35Actual speeds on Tarkenton and Staubach weren't that good but those guys were scramblers and could buy time. They weren't really run guys like you have in some places today. You rarely saw run plays called for those guys. John Elway had great speed and was a great athlete but he probably wasn't the scrambler Tarkenton or Staubach were. That needs to be factored in with speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 Here are the RBs, by conference and team.AFCE,BUF, thurman THOMAS, Face=0x5d, #34,38,69,63,38,94,44AFCE,BUF, o.j. SIMPSON, Face=0x5d, #32,50,69,63,50,81,25AFCE,BUF, cookie GILCHRIST, Face=0xb7, #34,44,69,44,94,75,19AFCE,BUF, travis HENRY, Face=0xb7, #20,38,69,44,56,88,19AFCE,MIA, larry CSONKA, Face=0xd0, #39,63,75,56,94,94,19AFCE,MIA, ricky WILLIAMS, Face=0x27, #34,38,69,50,69,88,31AFCE,MIA, mercury MORRIS, Face=0x85, #22,50,69,44,19,56,19AFCE,MIA, tony NATHAN, Face=0x9a, #22,44,69,44,50,69,38AFCE,NE, jim NANCE, Face=0xd2, #35,44,69,44,81,88,19AFCE,NE, sam CUNNINGHAM, Face=0x04, #39,44,69,38,75,69,25AFCE,NE, laurence MARONEY, Face=0x84, #39,38,69,44,50,100,19AFCE,NE, tony COLLINS, Face=0x9a, #33,38,69,38,44,69,25AFCE,NYJ, curtis MARTIN, Face=0xc9, #28,38,69,56,50,100,38AFCE,NYJ, freeman MCNEIL, Face=0x96, #24,38,69,44,56,81,31AFCE,NYJ, matt SNELL, Face=0x9f, #41,44,69,38,75,94,25AFCE,NYJ, emerson BOOZER, Face=0x9d, #32,38,69,38,25,88,19AFCN,CIN, corey DILLON, Face=0x80, #28,38,69,56,69,94,25AFCN,CIN, james BROOKS, Face=0xab, #31,38,69,56,25,75,38AFCN,CIN, ickey WOODS, Face=0xc5, #30,44,69,38,81,94,19AFCN,CIN, rudi JOHNSON, Face=0xa3, #32,38,69,44,63,94,19AFCN,CLE, jim BROWN, Face=0xc0, #32,44,69,69,75,81,25AFCN,CLE, marion MOTLEY, Face=0x86, #36,63,69,56,81,94,19AFCN,CLE, leroy KELLY, Face=0xb9, #44,38,69,56,38,88,25AFCN,CLE, mike PRUITT, Face=0xd3, #43,38,69,44,63,88,31AFCN,BAL, jamal LEWIS, Face=0x96, #31,44,69,56,88,94,25AFCN,BAL, bam MORRIS, Face=0xc3, #33,44,69,25,94,94,19AFCN,BAL, willis MCGAHEE, Face=0xd1, #23,38,69,44,69,94,25AFCN,BAL, chester TAYLOR, Face=0x81, #29,38,69,44,50,88,25AFCN,PIT, franco HARRIS, Face=0xd0, #32,44,69,56,81,75,31AFCN,PIT, jerome BETTIS, Face=0x50, #36,50,69,44,94,94,25AFCN,PIT, john h. JOHNSON, Face=0x50, #35,38,69,50,50,75,25AFCN,PIT, willie PARKER, Face=0xb0, #39,38,69,50,50,88,19AFCS,IND, lenny MOORE, Face=0xc0, #24,44,69,56,19,69,44AFCS,IND, edgerrin JAMES, Face=0x4c, #32,38,69,56,50,94,38AFCS,IND, joseph ADDAI, Face=0x92, #29,38,69,50,50,100,38AFCS,IND, alan AMECHE, Face=0x36, #35,44,69,25,75,94,19AFCS,HOU, domanick DAVIS, Face=0xd2, #31,38,69,44,56,94,38AFCS,HOU, ron DAYNE, Face=0xca, #36,44,69,25,94,100,19AFCS,HOU, jonathan WELLS, Face=0xc1, #32,38,69,25,94,94,19AFCS,HOU, darius WALKER, Face=0xc2, #37,38,69,38,44,100,19AFCS,JAC, fred TAYLOR, Face=0x84, #28,38,69,56,75,94,31AFCS,JAC, m. JONES.DREW, Face=0xc2, #32,56,69,44,69,94,38AFCS,JAC, james STEWART, Face=0xc2, #33,38,69,44,63,94,25AFCS,JAC, stacey MACK, Face=0xb7, #34,38,69,25,81,88,19AFCS,TEN, earl CAMPBELL, Face=0xaa, #34,38,69,56,88,88,19AFCS,TEN, eddie GEORGE, Face=0x8f, #27,38,69,44,81,94,25AFCS,TEN, hoyle GRANGER, Face=0xaa, #32,44,69,44,69,94,19AFCS,TEN, billy CANNON, Face=0x8e, #20,38,69,44,44,75,38AFCW,DEN, terrell DAVIS, Face=0x8c, #30,38,69,63,44,94,31AFCW,DEN, mike ANDERSON, Face=0x83, #38,38,69,44,81,94,19AFCW,DEN, tatum BELL, Face=0xb2, #26,38,69,44,25,88,19AFCW,DEN, floyd LITTLE, Face=0x83, #44,38,69,44,25,88,19AFCW,KC, larry JOHNSON, Face=0xd2, #27,44,69,56,69,100,25AFCW,KC, priest HOLMES, Face=0xc4, #31,38,69,56,50,100,38AFCW,KC, christian OKOYE, Face=0xa4, #35,44,69,44,94,81,19AFCW,KC, abner HAYNES, Face=0x91, #28,38,69,50,25,56,31AFCW,OAK, bo JACKSON, Face=0x9a, #34,44,69,63,69,88,19AFCW,OAK, marcus ALLEN, Face=0xc0, #32,38,69,63,44,88,50AFCW,OAK, clem DANIELS, Face=0x8d, #36,38,69,50,63,63,25AFCW,OAK, mark VAN EEGHEN, Face=0xa6, #30,38,69,44,63,94,19AFCW,SD, l. TOMLINSON, Face=0x90, #21,44,69,69,63,100,44AFCW,SD, paul LOWE, Face=0xd1, #23,44,69,50,44,88,25AFCW,SD, marion BUTTS, Face=0x8f, #35,44,69,38,94,50,25AFCW,SD, chuck MUNCIE, Face=0xd1, #46,38,69,44,69,69,25NFCE,WAS, clinton PORTIS, Face=0xa2, #26,44,69,56,44,94,31NFCE,WAS, john RIGGINS, Face=0xa2, #44,38,69,50,75,88,25NFCE,WAS, stephen DAVIS, Face=0xbf, #48,38,69,44,75,94,25NFCE,WAS, earnest BYNER, Face=0xb3, #21,38,69,44,56,94,44NFCE,NYG, tiki BARBER, Face=0x93, #21,38,69,63,38,88,50NFCE,NYG, frank GIFFORD, Face=0xb0, #16,38,69,50,25,50,44NFCE,NYG, rodney HAMPTON, Face=0x91, #27,38,69,44,63,100,25NFCE,NYG, joe MORRIS, Face=0x96, #20,38,69,44,31,88,19NFCE,PHI, brian WESTBROOK, Face=0x8f, #36,44,69,50,38,100,50NFCE,PHI, steve VAN BUREN, Face=0xa3, #15,44,69,56,56,75,19NFCE,PHI, will MONTGOMERY, Face=0xcd, #31,38,69,44,25,81,31NFCE,PHI, keith BYARS, Face=0xa3, #41,44,69,25,94,88,50NFCE,DAL, emmitt SMITH, Face=0x8f, #22,44,69,63,63,94,38NFCE,DAL, tony DORSETT, Face=0xc9, #33,38,69,56,25,75,38NFCE,DAL, herschel WALKER, Face=0x9c, #34,38,69,44,69,88,44NFCE,DAL, don PERKINS, Face=0xec, #43,38,69,44,44,94,19NFCN,CHI, walter PAYTON, Face=0xd0, #34,44,69,63,44,88,38NFCN,CHI, gale SAYERS, Face=0xca, #40,50,69,56,25,69,25NFCN,CHI, bronko NAGURSKI, Face=0xa1, #3,50,69,44,94,100,13NFCN,CHI, george MCAFEE, Face=0xa1, #5,44,69,50,25,50,25NFCN,DET, barry SANDERS, Face=0x9b, #20,44,69,69,44,94,31NFCN,DET, doak WALKER, Face=0x3d, #37,44,69,56,19,88,19NFCN,DET, billy SIMS, Face=0xd3, #20,44,69,50,50,69,31NFCN,DET, dexter BUSSEY, Face=0x59, #24,38,69,44,50,75,19NFCN,GB, paul HORNUNG, Face=0x86, #5,38,69,56,56,81,19NFCN,GB, jim TAYLOR, Face=0x98, #31,44,69,56,56,94,25NFCN,GB, ahman GREEN, Face=0xc7, #30,38,69,50,56,94,38NFCN,GB, tony CANADEO, Face=0x8b, #3,38,69,44,25,81,19NFCN,MIN, adrian PETERSON, Face=0x86, #28,38,69,56,56,88,25NFCN,MIN, bill BROWN, Face=0xd0, #30,44,69,25,81,69,31NFCN,MIN, robert SMITH, Face=0x8b, #26,38,69,50,50,100,25NFCN,MIN, chuck FOREMAN, Face=0xd3, #44,44,69,38,69,75,38NFCS,TB, james WILDER, Face=0xcc, #32,38,69,44,63,81,38NFCS,TB, mike ALSTOTT, Face=0xc2, #40,44,69,25,94,88,31NFCS,TB, michael PITTMAN, Face=0xc7, #32,38,69,38,56,88,38NFCS,TB, ricky BELL, Face=0x80, #42,38,69,38,63,88,19NFCS,NO, george ROGERS, Face=0xb8, #38,38,69,50,69,75,19NFCS,NO, deuce MCALLISTER, Face=0x37, #26,38,69,50,75,94,31NFCS,NO, reggie BUSH, Face=0xd2, #25,38,69,38,31,81,63NFCS,NO, ironhead HEYWARD, Face=0x0, #34,44,69,25,94,94,19NFCS,ATL, william ANDREWS, Face=0x93, #31,44,69,56,44,88,38NFCS,ATL, jamal ANDERSON, Face=0x93, #32,38,69,50,88,88,25NFCS,ATL, warrick DUNN, Face=0x86, #28,38,69,50,19,100,38NFCS,ATL, gerald riggs, Face=0x93, #42,38,69,44,75,88,25NFCS,CAR, d. WILLIAMS, Face=0xab, #34,44,69,44,50,100,25NFCS,CAR, deshaun FOSTER, Face=0x3c, #20,38,69,44,63,88,25NFCS,CAR, tim BIAKABUTUKA, Face=0xaa, #21,38,69,38,56,88,19NFCS,CAR, anthony JOHNSON, Face=0x50, #23,38,69,38,63,81,25NFCW,SF, hugh MCELHENNY, Face=0xd0, #39,44,69,56,25,50,25NFCW,SF, joe PERRY, Face=0xb9, #34,44,69,63,38,69,25NFCW,SF, ricky WATTERS, Face=0x97, #32,38,69,50,56,94,38NFCW,SF, roger CRAIG, Face=0x14, #33,38,69,44,63,94,44NFCW,STL, eric DICKERSON, Face=0xd2, #29,44,69,69,63,81,31NFCW,STL, marshall FAULK, Face=0x3f, #28,44,69,63,50,94,56NFCW,STL, steven JACKSON, Face=0x01, #39,38,69,50,69,94,44NFCW,STL, wendell TYLER, Face=0x01, #26,38,69,50,25,50,25NFCW,SEA, shaun ALEXANDER, Face=0x91, #37,44,69,63,69,94,25NFCW,SEA, curt WARNER, Face=0x92, #28,38,69,50,44,88,25NFCW,SEA, chris WARREN, Face=0x92, #42,38,69,44,69,94,25NFCW,SEA, john l. WILLIAMS, Face=0x9b, #32,38,69,38,81,94,44NFCW,ARI, charley TRIPPI, Face=0xb3, #62,38,69,56,19,56,19NFCW,ARI, larry CENTERS, Face=0xc7, #37,44,69,25,81,94,69NFCW,ARI, ottis ANDERSON, Face=0xcd, #32,38,69,50,63,88,31NFCW,ARI, ollie MATSON, Face=0xb3, #33,38,69,50,63,44,25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 RBs by MS. At the bottom is 81-94hp backs. Yes, hp is high overall.69AFCN,CLE, jim BROWN, Face=0xc0, #32,44,69,69,75,81,25AFCW,SD, l. TOMLINSON, Face=0x90, #21,44,69,69,63,100,44NFCN,DET, barry SANDERS, Face=0x9b, #20,44,69,69,44,94,31NFCW,STL, eric DICKERSON, Face=0xd2, #29,44,69,69,63,81,3163AFCE,BUF, thurman THOMAS, Face=0x5d, #34,38,69,63,38,94,44AFCE,BUF, o.j. SIMPSON, Face=0x5d, #32,50,69,63,50,81,25AFCW,DEN, terrell DAVIS, Face=0x8c, #30,38,69,63,44,94,31AFCW,OAK, bo JACKSON, Face=0x9a, #34,44,69,63,69,88,19AFCW,OAK, marcus ALLEN, Face=0xc0, #32,38,69,63,44,88,50NFCE,NYG, tiki BARBER, Face=0x93, #21,38,69,63,38,88,50NFCE,DAL, emmitt SMITH, Face=0x8f, #22,44,69,63,63,94,38NFCN,CHI, walter PAYTON, Face=0xd0, #34,44,69,63,44,88,38NFCW,SF, joe PERRY, Face=0xb9, #34,44,69,63,38,69,25NFCW,STL, marshall FAULK, Face=0x3f, #28,44,69,63,50,94,56NFCW,SEA, shaun ALEXANDER, Face=0x91, #37,44,69,63,69,94,2556AFCE,MIA, larry CSONKA, Face=0xd0, #39,63,75,56,94,94,19AFCE,NYJ, curtis MARTIN, Face=0xc9, #28,38,69,56,50,100,38AFCN,CIN, corey DILLON, Face=0x80, #28,38,69,56,69,94,25AFCN,CIN, james BROOKS, Face=0xab, #31,38,69,56,25,75,38AFCN,CLE, marion MOTLEY, Face=0x86, #36,63,69,56,81,94,19AFCN,CLE, leroy KELLY, Face=0xb9, #44,38,69,56,38,88,25AFCN,BAL, jamal LEWIS, Face=0x96, #31,44,69,56,88,94,25AFCN,PIT, franco HARRIS, Face=0xd0, #32,44,69,56,81,75,31AFCS,IND, lenny MOORE, Face=0xc0, #24,44,69,56,19,69,44AFCS,IND, edgerrin JAMES, Face=0x4c, #32,38,69,56,50,94,38AFCS,JAC, fred TAYLOR, Face=0x84, #28,38,69,56,75,94,31AFCS,TEN, earl CAMPBELL, Face=0xaa, #34,38,69,56,88,88,19AFCW,KC, larry JOHNSON, Face=0xd2, #27,44,69,56,69,100,25AFCW,KC, priest HOLMES, Face=0xc4, #31,38,69,56,50,100,38NFCE,WAS, clinton PORTIS, Face=0xa2, #26,44,69,56,44,94,31NFCE,PHI, steve VAN BUREN, Face=0xa3, #15,44,69,56,56,75,19NFCE,DAL, tony DORSETT, Face=0xc9, #33,38,69,56,25,75,38NFCN,CHI, gale SAYERS, Face=0xca, #40,50,69,56,25,69,25NFCN,DET, doak WALKER, Face=0x3d, #37,44,69,56,19,88,19NFCN,GB, paul HORNUNG, Face=0x86, #5,38,69,56,56,81,19NFCN,GB, jim TAYLOR, Face=0x98, #31,44,69,56,56,94,25NFCN,MIN, adrian PETERSON, Face=0x86, #28,38,69,56,56,88,25NFCS,ATL, william ANDREWS, Face=0x93, #31,44,69,56,44,88,38NFCW,SF, hugh MCELHENNY, Face=0xd0, #39,44,69,56,25,50,25NFCW,ARI, charley TRIPPI, Face=0xb3, #62,38,69,56,19,56,1950AFCE,MIA, ricky WILLIAMS, Face=0x27, #34,38,69,50,69,88,31AFCN,PIT, john h. JOHNSON, Face=0x50, #35,38,69,50,50,75,25AFCN,PIT, willie PARKER, Face=0xb0, #39,38,69,50,50,88,19AFCS,IND, joseph ADDAI, Face=0x92, #29,38,69,50,50,100,38AFCW,KC, abner HAYNES, Face=0x91, #28,38,69,50,25,56,31AFCW,OAK, clem DANIELS, Face=0x8d, #36,38,69,50,63,63,25AFCW,SD, paul LOWE, Face=0xd1, #23,44,69,50,44,88,25NFCE,WAS, john RIGGINS, Face=0xa2, #44,38,69,50,75,88,25NFCE,NYG, frank GIFFORD, Face=0xb0, #16,38,69,50,25,50,44NFCE,PHI, brian WESTBROOK, Face=0x8f, #36,44,69,50,38,100,50NFCN,CHI, george MCAFEE, Face=0xa1, #5,44,69,50,25,50,25NFCN,DET, billy SIMS, Face=0xd3, #20,44,69,50,50,69,31NFCN,GB, ahman GREEN, Face=0xc7, #30,38,69,50,56,94,38NFCN,MIN, robert SMITH, Face=0x8b, #26,38,69,50,50,100,25NFCS,NO, george ROGERS, Face=0xb8, #38,38,69,50,69,75,19NFCS,NO, deuce MCALLISTER, Face=0x37, #26,38,69,50,75,94,31NFCS,ATL, jamal ANDERSON, Face=0x93, #32,38,69,50,88,88,25NFCS,ATL, warrick DUNN, Face=0x86, #28,38,69,50,19,100,38NFCW,SF, ricky WATTERS, Face=0x97, #32,38,69,50,56,94,38NFCW,STL, steven JACKSON, Face=0x01, #39,38,69,50,69,94,44NFCW,STL, wendell TYLER, Face=0x01, #26,38,69,50,25,50,25NFCW,SEA, curt WARNER, Face=0x92, #28,38,69,50,44,88,25NFCW,ARI, ottis ANDERSON, Face=0xcd, #32,38,69,50,63,88,31NFCW,ARI, ollie MATSON, Face=0xb3, #33,38,69,50,63,44,2544AFCE,BUF, cookie GILCHRIST, Face=0xb7, #34,44,69,44,94,75,19AFCE,BUF, travis HENRY, Face=0xb7, #20,38,69,44,56,88,19AFCE,MIA, mercury MORRIS, Face=0x85, #22,50,69,44,19,56,19AFCE,MIA, tony NATHAN, Face=0x9a, #22,44,69,44,50,69,38AFCE,NE, jim NANCE, Face=0xd2, #35,44,69,44,81,88,19AFCE,NE, laurence MARONEY, Face=0x84, #39,38,69,44,50,100,19AFCE,NYJ, freeman MCNEIL, Face=0x96, #24,38,69,44,56,81,31AFCN,CIN, rudi JOHNSON, Face=0xa3, #32,38,69,44,63,94,19AFCN,CLE, mike PRUITT, Face=0xd3, #43,38,69,44,63,88,31AFCN,BAL, willis MCGAHEE, Face=0xd1, #23,38,69,44,69,94,25AFCN,BAL, chester TAYLOR, Face=0x81, #29,38,69,44,50,88,25AFCN,PIT, jerome BETTIS, Face=0x50, #36,50,69,44,94,94,25AFCS,HOU, domanick DAVIS, Face=0xd2, #31,38,69,44,56,94,38AFCS,JAC, m. JONES.DREW, Face=0xc2, #32,56,69,44,69,94,38AFCS,JAC, james STEWART, Face=0xc2, #33,38,69,44,63,94,25AFCS,TEN, eddie GEORGE, Face=0x8f, #27,38,69,44,81,94,25AFCS,TEN, hoyle GRANGER, Face=0xaa, #32,44,69,44,69,94,19AFCS,TEN, billy CANNON, Face=0x8e, #20,38,69,44,44,75,38AFCW,DEN, mike ANDERSON, Face=0x83, #38,38,69,44,81,94,19AFCW,DEN, tatum BELL, Face=0xb2, #26,38,69,44,25,88,19AFCW,DEN, floyd LITTLE, Face=0x83, #44,38,69,44,25,88,19AFCW,KC, christian OKOYE, Face=0xa4, #35,44,69,44,94,81,19AFCW,OAK, mark VAN EEGHEN, Face=0xa6, #30,38,69,44,63,94,19AFCW,SD, chuck MUNCIE, Face=0xd1, #46,38,69,44,69,69,25NFCE,WAS, stephen DAVIS, Face=0xbf, #48,38,69,44,75,94,25NFCE,WAS, earnest BYNER, Face=0xb3, #21,38,69,44,56,94,44NFCE,NYG, rodney HAMPTON, Face=0x91, #27,38,69,44,63,100,25NFCE,NYG, joe MORRIS, Face=0x96, #20,38,69,44,31,88,19NFCE,PHI, will MONTGOMERY, Face=0xcd, #31,38,69,44,25,81,31NFCE,DAL, herschel WALKER, Face=0x9c, #34,38,69,44,69,88,44NFCE,DAL, don PERKINS, Face=0xec, #43,38,69,44,44,94,19NFCN,CHI, bronko NAGURSKI, Face=0xa1, #3,50,69,44,94,100,13NFCN,DET, dexter BUSSEY, Face=0x59, #24,38,69,44,50,75,19NFCN,GB, tony CANADEO, Face=0x8b, #3,38,69,44,25,81,19NFCS,TB, james WILDER, Face=0xcc, #32,38,69,44,63,81,38NFCS,ATL, gerald riggs, Face=0x93, #42,38,69,44,75,88,25NFCS,CAR, d. WILLIAMS, Face=0xab, #34,44,69,44,50,100,25NFCS,CAR, deshaun FOSTER, Face=0x3c, #20,38,69,44,63,88,25NFCW,SF, roger CRAIG, Face=0x14, #33,38,69,44,63,94,44NFCW,SEA, chris WARREN, Face=0x92, #42,38,69,44,69,94,2538AFCE,NE, sam CUNNINGHAM, Face=0x04, #39,44,69,38,75,69,25AFCE,NE, tony COLLINS, Face=0x9a, #33,38,69,38,44,69,25AFCE,NYJ, matt SNELL, Face=0x9f, #41,44,69,38,75,94,25AFCE,NYJ, emerson BOOZER, Face=0x9d, #32,38,69,38,25,88,19AFCN,CIN, ickey WOODS, Face=0xc5, #30,44,69,38,81,94,19AFCS,HOU, darius WALKER, Face=0xc2, #37,38,69,38,44,100,19AFCW,SD, marion BUTTS, Face=0x8f, #35,44,69,38,94,50,25NFCN,MIN, chuck FOREMAN, Face=0xd3, #44,44,69,38,69,75,38NFCS,TB, michael PITTMAN, Face=0xc7, #32,38,69,38,56,88,38NFCS,TB, ricky BELL, Face=0x80, #42,38,69,38,63,88,19NFCS,NO, reggie BUSH, Face=0xd2, #25,38,69,38,31,81,63NFCS,CAR, tim BIAKABUTUKA, Face=0xaa, #21,38,69,38,56,88,19NFCS,CAR, anthony JOHNSON, Face=0x50, #23,38,69,38,63,81,25NFCW,SEA, john l. WILLIAMS, Face=0x9b, #32,38,69,38,81,94,4425AFCN,BAL, bam MORRIS, Face=0xc3, #33,44,69,25,94,94,19AFCS,IND, alan AMECHE, Face=0x36, #35,44,69,25,75,94,19AFCS,HOU, ron DAYNE, Face=0xca, #36,44,69,25,94,100,19AFCS,HOU, jonathan WELLS, Face=0xc1, #32,38,69,25,94,94,19AFCS,JAC, stacey MACK, Face=0xb7, #34,38,69,25,81,88,19NFCE,PHI, keith BYARS, Face=0xa3, #41,44,69,25,94,88,50NFCN,MIN, bill BROWN, Face=0xd0, #30,44,69,25,81,69,31NFCS,TB, mike ALSTOTT, Face=0xc2, #40,44,69,25,94,88,31NFCS,NO, ironhead HEYWARD, Face=0x0, #34,44,69,25,94,94,19NFCW,ARI, larry CENTERS, Face=0xc7, #37,44,69,25,81,94,6994hpAFCE,MIA, larry CSONKA, Face=0xd0, #39,63,75,56,94,94,19AFCE,BUF, cookie GILCHRIST, Face=0xb7, #34,44,69,44,94,75,19AFCN,PIT, jerome BETTIS, Face=0x50, #36,50,69,44,94,94,25AFCW,KC, christian OKOYE, Face=0xa4, #35,44,69,44,94,81,19NFCN,CHI, bronko NAGURSKI, Face=0xa1, #3,50,69,44,94,100,13AFCW,SD, marion BUTTS, Face=0x8f, #35,44,69,38,94,50,25AFCN,BAL, bam MORRIS, Face=0xc3, #33,44,69,25,94,94,19AFCS,HOU, ron DAYNE, Face=0xca, #36,44,69,25,94,100,19AFCS,HOU, jonathan WELLS, Face=0xc1, #32,38,69,25,94,94,19NFCE,PHI, keith BYARS, Face=0xa3, #41,44,69,25,94,88,50NFCS,TB, mike ALSTOTT, Face=0xc2, #40,44,69,25,94,88,31NFCS,NO, ironhead HEYWARD, Face=0x0, #34,44,69,25,94,94,1988hpAFCN,BAL, jamal LEWIS, Face=0x96, #31,44,69,56,88,94,25AFCS,TEN, earl CAMPBELL, Face=0xaa, #34,38,69,56,88,88,19NFCS,ATL, jamal ANDERSON, Face=0x93, #32,38,69,50,88,88,2581hpAFCN,CLE, marion MOTLEY, Face=0x86, #36,63,69,56,81,94,19AFCN,PIT, franco HARRIS, Face=0xd0, #32,44,69,56,81,75,31AFCE,NE, jim NANCE, Face=0xd2, #35,44,69,44,81,88,19AFCS,TEN, eddie GEORGE, Face=0x8f, #27,38,69,44,81,94,25AFCW,DEN, mike ANDERSON, Face=0x83, #38,38,69,44,81,94,19AFCN,CIN, ickey WOODS, Face=0xc5, #30,44,69,38,81,94,19NFCW,SEA, john l. WILLIAMS, Face=0x9b, #32,38,69,38,81,94,44AFCS,JAC, stacey MACK, Face=0xb7, #34,38,69,25,81,88,19NFCN,MIN, bill BROWN, Face=0xd0, #30,44,69,25,81,69,31NFCW,ARI, larry CENTERS, Face=0xc7, #37,44,69,25,81,94,69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 RBs with 44rec and up.69NFCW,ARI, larry CENTERS, Face=0xc7, #37,44,69,25,81,94,6963NFCS,NO, reggie BUSH, Face=0xd2, #25,38,69,38,31,81,6356NFCW,STL, marshall FAULK, Face=0x3f, #28,44,69,63,50,94,5650NFCE,PHI, keith BYARS, Face=0xa3, #41,44,69,25,94,88,50AFCW,OAK, marcus ALLEN, Face=0xc0, #32,38,69,63,44,88,50NFCE,NYG, tiki BARBER, Face=0x93, #21,38,69,63,38,88,50NFCE,PHI, brian WESTBROOK, Face=0x8f, #36,44,69,50,38,100,5044NFCW,SEA, john l. WILLIAMS, Face=0x9b, #32,38,69,38,81,94,44NFCW,STL, steven JACKSON, Face=0x01, #39,38,69,50,69,94,44NFCE,DAL, herschel WALKER, Face=0x9c, #34,38,69,44,69,88,44AFCW,SD, l. TOMLINSON, Face=0x90, #21,44,69,69,63,100,44NFCW,SF, roger CRAIG, Face=0x14, #33,38,69,44,63,94,44NFCE,WAS, earnest BYNER, Face=0xb3, #21,38,69,44,56,94,44AFCE,BUF, thurman THOMAS, Face=0x5d, #34,38,69,63,38,94,44NFCE,NYG, frank GIFFORD, Face=0xb0, #16,38,69,50,25,50,44AFCS,IND, lenny MOORE, Face=0xc0, #24,44,69,56,19,69,44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 I can't decide how to rate WRs. For REC I was going to just use career receptions, but I can't decide how to do RS and MS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNFL Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Yards per catch and TD's are usually good ones for MS/RS. Maybe YAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNFL Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 AFCE,NYJ, chad PENNINGTON, Face=0x22, #10,25,69,6,13,19,63,63,69 - 19 Awesome! He has an even weaker arm than Grogan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZisBack Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Here is the best I could come up with for an All-Cardinals team. I have a few extras in the mix. Most of the team was made up from the list of team record holders, Hall of Famers and pro bowlers. I copied and pasted from the teams Pro Bowl List. There was only one good TE so I only put one down.QB: Neil Lomax, QB, 1984, 1987Jim Hart, QB, 1974-77RB:Ottis Anderson, RB, 1979-80 Ollie Matson, HB, 1952, 1954-57 Larry Centers, FB, 1995-96 Charley Trippi, 1947–55RB Notables Ernie Nevers (NFL Record touchdowns in game 6)Jim Thorpe (Only one season)WR:Larry Fitzgerald, WR 2005, 2007Anquan Boldin, WR, 2003, 2006 Roy Green, WR, 1983-84David Boston, WR, 2001Mel Gray, WR, 1974-77TE: Jackie Smith, TE, 1966-70NoneC:Bob DeMarco, C, 1963, 1965, 1967G:Ken Gray, G, 1961, 1963-64, 1966-68Walt Kiesling/Offensive Lineman (1929-33)OT:Dan Dierdorf, T, 1974-78, 1980Ernie McMillan, T, 1965, 1967, 1969-70DL: Simeon Rice, DE, 1999Eric Swann, DT, 1995-96Bertrand Berry, DE, 2004LB: Ken HarveySeth Joyner, LB, 1994 E.J. Junior, LB, 1984-85Dale Meinert, LB, 1963, 1965, 1967CB:Dick ‘Night Train’ Lane, DB, 1954-56, 1958Roger Wehrli, CB, 1970-71, 1974-77, 1979Aeneas Williams, CB, 1994-98S:Larry Wilson, S, 1962-63, 1965-70Tim McDonald, S, 1989, 1991-92PK: Neil Rackers, K 2005 (Best Season)Jim Bakken, K, 1965, 1967, 1975-76PScott Player, P, 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTupa Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Seth Joyner, greatest Tecmo lb ever? Joyner Tecmo III50 50 69 63 44 81L.T. NES44 56 69 75 31 81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4god Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 this is from profootballhof.com for the cleveland browns.... Cleveland Browns Legends The Cleveland Browns organization honors the team’s all-time greats through the Cleveland Browns Legends Program. Each year former players are inducted into the Legends Program through a combination vote of panelists and fan voting, which takes place exclusively on ClevelandBrowns.com. The Cleveland Browns Legends are permanently honored in several areas throughout Cleveland Browns Stadium for fans to view on game days and all year round. Jim Brown*, RB Paul Brown*, Coach Earnest Byner, RB Don Cockroft, K/P Gary Collins, WR Doug Dieken, T Joe DeLamielleure*, G Hanford Dixon, CB Len Ford*, DE Bob Gain, DT Frank Gatski*, C Horace Gillom, TE/P Bill Glass, DB Otto Graham*, QB Lou Groza*, OL/K Gene Hickerson, OL Jim Houston, DE/LB Tommy James, CB/P Dub Jones, WR Leroy Kelly*, RB Bernie Kosar, QB Dante Lavelli*, WR Kevin Mack, RB Clay Matthews, LB Mike McCormack*, OL Walt Michaels, LB Frank Minnifield, DB Bobby Mitchell*, RB Marion Motley*, RB Ozzie Newsome*, TE Michael Dean Perry, DL Greg Pruitt, RB Mike Pruitt, RB Ray Renfro, WR Frank Ryan, QB Dick Schafrath, OL Jerry Sherk, DL Brian Sipe, QB Jim Ray Smith, OL Mac Speedie, WR Paul Warfield*, WR Bill Willis*, MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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