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5 minutes ago, BO FB Offtackle Left said:

Aaaaaaaand the Giants have become the Knicks.

 

Wouldn't the Knicks move be to instead of rebuilding for the future to double down and bring in washed up super stars? This is more of a 'we have no plan' situation.

They drafted an elite running back, a position notorious for not lasting long in the NFL. That's to compete now, right?  Then one year later they trade away one of the NFL's best offensive players and didn't franchise Landon Collins so now they're rebuilding?  The Giants unlike the Knicks have competent ownership.  Very much might want to look at getting a new GM.

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7 minutes ago, Knobbe said:

 

Wouldn't the Knicks move be to instead of rebuilding for the future to double down and bring in washed up super stars? This is more of a 'we have no plan' situation.

They drafted an elite running back, a position notorious for not lasting long in the NFL. That's to compete now, right?  Then one year later they trade away one of the NFL's best offensive players and didn't franchise Landon Collins so now they're rebuilding?  The Giants unlike the Knicks have competent ownership.  Very much might want to look at getting a new GM.


I was mainly just comparing OBJ to Porzingis. Porzingis was supposed to be the Knicks foundation for the future while they developed young guys, then they traded him away so they could go after the washed up stars. I don't think the GIants are going after washed up stars, but OBJ was supposed to be one of their foundations of the future, and now they just trade him away. I don't think either team knows what it's doing.

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Jets landed Levon Bell; surely didn't see that coming. Too bad they won't beat the Pats.

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50 minutes ago, VGifted said:

Jets landed Levon Bell; surely didn't see that coming. Too bad they won't beat the Pats.

 

Bell should help with Darnold I think because you can check down to him. I guess we'll see what Gase does there.

Their defense was pretty bad with a "defensive coach" last year so what they do on that side of the ball probably matters a lot more for where they finish next season.

If Brady stays healthy it's hard to see New England falling to less than double digit wins.

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Jets getting double digit wins is unlikely but they will compete. So far the Browns and Ravens are winning the Free Agency battle right now.

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OBJ gone from Giants?

 

Good riddance !

 

Golden Tate is classier anyway.

 

 

Also - speaking of Giants - I went down my memory-lane this past SB, when Brandon Jacobs was on t.v. PREGAME and said he thought The NFL wanted Pats to win.  That was fun.  :-D

 

{By the way, I think Eli deserves to be in HOF; simply on merits that he beat GOAT twice.}

 

Goodnight

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The best part of waking up is that Jason Witten is gonna be back on the Cowboys next season !

 

 

Folgers

 

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10 hours ago, Bolt said:

Are players eligible to play '19-20 nfl season if dey play '19 AAF?

 

Are players eligible to play '20 AAF season if dey play '19-20 nfl?

 

I think this article answers your questions: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820467-alliance-of-american-football-2019-player-salary-and-nfl-out-contract-clause

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Well, I had to sit back and now it's time for another Power Rankings:

 

32.  New England Patriots:  Rob Gronkowski had chosen to retire.  Josh Gordon was a wasted investment in spite of his talent.  And Tom Brady's going to be 42.  The Super Bowl was a complete joke that exposed just how undeserving either team was of actually going to a Super Bowl.  Even their defense is starting to look less and less impressive by the day.  Oh, and Robert Craft is the next target of the #MeToo Witchhunt.  The Patriots dynasty is officially over.

 

31.  Los Angeles Rams:  It turned out the main reason why the Rams were so bloody terrible in the Super Bowl was because Todd Gurley has Arthritis!  Good god the Rams were even fortunate that the League decided to rig the playoffs to ensure that the Rams and Patriots clash in the Super Bowl because once the 2019 regular season kicks into gear, this team is going to be fucked.

 

30.  Kansas City Chiefs:  Watch as the Chiefs utterly blew up what was left of a once prosperous defensive unit under Andy Reid and literally did nothing to address the missing gaps on that side of the ball.  Why?  Because Patrick Mahomes is about to get hit hard by the Dan Marino effect so much worse than Dan Marino ever got.  At least Marino got to play in the Super Bowl.  It looks like the championship window for the Chiefs is on the brink of closing all the way shut.  May God have mercy on all their souls.

 

29.  Baltimore Ravens:  I have repeatedly stated this before and I'll say it again; I do not trust Lamar Jackson.  Really, it was only because of the switch from Joe Flacco to Lamarr Jackson that threw off a ton of other upcoming opponents' gameplan.  Once they faced down a team they crushed in the regular season mere weeks prior in the playoffs, and the curtains were pulled; the Ravens simply are not as good as that playoff berth may have let on.  Especially following the Pittsburgh Steelers collapse late in the season.  Now watch as they must play a full season having to compete with a resurgent Cleveland Browns, as well as a first place schedule with the Patriots and Chiefs.

 

28.  Houston Texans:  Isn't it too late to point out just how lackluster the Texans were in making the playoffs.  At one point the team looked so bloody skittish and mistake-prone as though afraid of losing that they ended up losing their first three games in the regular season.  They only answered this by cashing in on a piss-easy schedule and winning their division.  They probably could have gone even farther though had it not been for the fact that Ref Ball decided to rig the season in favor of the Patriots by ensuring that no matter what happens, the Patriots would secure at least a first round bye.  Not that it matters because even if the Texans actually won that game against the Eagles, they still would have been destroyed at home by the Patriots.

 

27.  Pittsburgh Steelers:  You are ranked this low simply because you have 18 parts dedicated to your repeated failures of the previous season; the never-ending drama; as well as the departure of some of the League's most toxic of personalities--yet highly talented of playmakers in spite said toxicities.  Antonio Brown LeVeon Bell, and Jesse James among many other names are now gone.  Now, all that remains of the Steelers glory days is an injury-prone quarterback who, while nowhere near as old and elderly as Tom Brady or Drew Brees, is still nearing retirement age.  I can't even rate this team any higher as a joke; they already are one.

 

26.  Chicago Bears:  The good news is that they fired their kicker.  The bad news is, many of the key defensive players from their glorious comeback a year ago are now gone, and more than ever, Mitch Trubisky has a target on his back.  Honestly, unless they tap into necromancy to resurrect the 1985 Bears, they're royally fucked.  Even then, the Bears team would ultimately be penalized to oblivion and with any prospect of reaching a Super Bowl denied by the current NFL's hell bent witch hunt of all defensive strategies, tactics, and interactions.  The more regulated the game becomes, the less fun it is to watch.  And in turn, the more necessary and easier it becomes to start rigging these games.  It's gonna happen unless Tom Green shows up and accuses Roger Goodell of fingering Freddy.  Maybe Robert Craft has the tapes and is holding on to it as blackmail.

 

25.  Philadelphia Eagles:  Nick Foles--the man who brought the long suffering and greatly misunderstood Eagle fanbase their first Super Bowl in franchise history--has now been cast out into Jacksonville to hopefully lead the Jaguars to glory (honestly, I would have wanted Foles to become a Denver Bronco, but beggers can't be choosers).  The good news is that Carson Wentz is still the man to continue this dynasty-in-the-wings as he was the guy that set the stage for Foles to finish the race for him.  Unfortunately, the Eagles have been largely gutted of their talented Super Bowl roster two seasons ago, and now somewhat resembles more the 2013 season in which Foles first delivered them out of the abyss of Oblivion.  I guess it isn't too much of a bad thing even though they are aging stars.  We'll see; I'm just not all that hyped for Eagle mania.  Speaking of aging stars....

 

24.  New Orleans Saints:  No team got screwed harder by the refs rigging games due to Robert Kraft's blackmail of fingering Freddy than the New Orleans Saints.  They were by far the best team in the NFL in 2018, and with the problems plaguing teams like the Rams, Patriots and Chiefs, it was all but guaranteed that they would have made it in if not for the fact that the game was rigged and scripted to favor the Patriots and Rams no matter what their skill levels were by the end of the season.  What makes it even worse is that Drew Brees will officially be entering his age 40 season--soon to be 41--and thus their championship window is rapidly declining.  The main reason why they rate as high as they do is because the rest of the NFC South  has been suspiciously quiet.  So for all I know, this Power Ranking is totally inaccurate.

 

23.  Dallas Cowboys:  They sure did shoot for that massive upgrade by hiring Jason Witten out of the broadcasting booth and back onto a Dallas Cowboys jersey in spite being a complete shell of his former self and arguably being even older than Tom Brady.  It seems that Jerry Jones never could figure out how this "Free Agency" is supposed to work given that he blew his chance to acquire Deon Sanders from the 49ers a couple dozen years ago.

 

22.  Indianapolis Colts:  Another team that, similar to the Texans, started off as a complete trainwreck before getting their shit together to stitch together a complete comeback that even saw them dismantling their division champion little brother in a comeback season for the ages.  Also like the Ravens, they even benefited from the Steelers epic late season collapse as well as the Titans tripping up at the finish line.

 

21.  Los Angeles Chargers:  The team has been rather quiet in Free Agency while the team stares down potential bankruptcy at the hands of an incompetent owner who doesn't give a shit that nobody else does either in Los Angeles.  Charger nation was born, raised, and nurtured in San Diego.  They were merely conceived in Los Angeles and then handed over to San Diego as a surrogate.  The team is so bloody incompetent as well that they don't know how to execute gameplans well against even the most basic of football teams.  Philip Rivers winning this team a Super Bowl is not only most likely the ticket that must be necessary for him to get into Canton but also in making the Chargers relevant in a town that does not want them.

 

20.  Seattle Seahawks:  The Legion of Boom is dead.  Only Russell Wilson and a couple other holdovers from that era remain in Seattle.  It looks rather dire, but at least they are not staring down the barrel of the gun like the Patriots, who can only get where they are by holding Tom Green hostage and preventing him from spilling the truth that Roger Goodell fingers Freddy.  No, the Seahawks main problem is that they have too many vampires, werewolves, and bad fanfiction best served as pornography to worry about.  Overall, meh.

 

19.  Minnesota Vikings:  Man, is Kirk Cousins a stud or what?  Too bad his offensive line is irredeemably bad, and much of their defense is pretty much gone as well.  How many more quarterbacks will it take before the Vikings realize that the only hope that they have of ever winning a Super Bowl is to steal the Patriots photographs incriminating Roger Goodell (and possibly Brady and Belechick) and blackmailing Goodell into supplying them with a lifetime supply of KFC.  Yeah, even with the blackmail and Brady and Belechick on their side, the Vikings would still find ways to crush the hopes and dreams of Viking fans everywhere.

 

18.  Tennessee Titans:  Can Marcus Mariota stay healthy?  Is his new head coach even remotely competent?  He does hail from the coaching tree of Bill Belichick, who is far more toxic than the refs rigging games in their favor.  Especially since none of his other coaches or coordinators never really saw success in the NFL level.

 

17.  Atlanta Falcons:  Hey, you're not important enough to remember!

 

16.  Cincinnati Bengals:  They fired Marvin Lewis.  Now the Bengals can get right back into winning, provided they are not mediocre to the point of being forgettable like the Falcons.

 

15.  Green Bay Packers:  They also fired coach Mike McCarthy after losing to the lowly Browns.  Maybe then, they'll finally be able to see to it that the Packers will finally make it back to the Super Bowl now that they made a big splash in Free Agency.  Then again, considering just how much the NFL loves the Patriots and will do anything to make sure that the Patriots dynasty continues on indefinitely, I think any hopes or aspirations for this team will ultimately prove to be futile.

 

14.  Tampa Bay Buccaneers:  An offensive juggernaut finally got rid of a couple problem pieces on offense and has now bolstered up their defensive unit to a point that would make Tony Dungy proud.  You hear me?  Tony Dungy's going to be proud of the Bucs this season.  He's going to be so proud.  Now go ahead Jameis Winston and make Tony Dungy proud.  Proud!?  Proud!

 

13.  San Francisco 49ers:  Speaking of Free Agency signings, no team has been hitting home runs in Free Agency as aggressively as the 49ers who are looking to thoroughly dethrone the overrated Sean McVay and the Los Angeles Rams as NFC West kings once again.  Now if only they can go a whole year without Jimmy Garoppolo landing in the hospital.  After all, if Jimmy Garoppolo can't stay healthy, then he's just an expensive waste of talent and will.  And if word of that were to get out, then he could lose his job.  HE COULD LOSE ALL OF THIS!  AND WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN WOULD WE!?  WOULD WE!?  HUH!?

 

12.  New York Jets:  The Jets, just like the 49ers, have also made a big splash in free agency, including the acquisition of LeVeon Bell from the Steelers.  And Sam Darnold is looking to become the next Peyton Manning--hopefully with more playoff success than he was ever provided.  Maybe the hiring of Adam Gase will actually be a good one this time around.  At least Darnold has promise.

 

11.  Cleveland Browns:  I'm cautiously optimistic about this team, so don't freak out that this team isn't number 1.  They are still the Browns.  They really did upgrade their offense and defense the past couple years, and anybody at head coach might as well be an upgrade over Hue Jackson.  Just keep your fingers crossed that the Browns will at least be good enough to compete for a Playoff berth, if not a Super Bowl run.  Fingers crossed Cleveland fans.  I hope the Browns are good I have my fingers crossed!  I hope the Browns are good; I have my fingers crossed!  I have my fingers crossed!  Crossed!  Crossed?  Cross...ed.

 

10.  Buffalo Bills:  Their defense is getting buffed up, and Josh Allen is going to be handed some offensive weapons again.  Too bad their offensive line is still shit, but at least Josh Allen can scramble and improvise on the fly.  It'd be interesting to see if the Bills make any serious strides here.

 

9.  Carolina Panthers:  The owner that helped craft a dominant 15-1 is now gone, and so too is most of the team as a whole.  Their offensive line isn't all that great, either, and the only serious playmaker right now is the running back, Christian McCaffrey.  But all the way up until their collapse, Cam Newton crafted and willed the Panthers to victory week in and week out.  Just so long as Cam Newton stays healthy, he'll be fine.  I see no problems for this team in the foreseeable future.

 

8.  Detroit Lions:  The team is being reinvented and reinvigorated thanks to the former defensive coordinator of the New England Patriots.  Matthew Stafford is still a top five quarterback in the NFL, and I'm sticking with it.

 

7.  Jacksonville Jaguars:  Behold the glory of Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles and hero of the Eagles finally being signed in to do unto Jacksonville what he had done unto Philadelphia--deliver them to the promise land.  Finish what Blake Bortles failed miserably in accomplishing two years ago the same year the Eagles won it all--to win it all for Jacksonville.  Make the Jaguars Great Again!

 

6.  Washington Redskins:  QB Alex Smith is bound to be healthier than ever after suffering a minor booboo that took him out of the game against the Texans and ultimately killed any semblance the Redskins may have had at actually competing for a Super Bowl last year.  I mean Adrien Peterson is only a dinosaur rather than an ageless wonder like Frank Gore.  And many of their defensive players are gone and their offense was ultimately bolstered by former Giant wideouts not named Odell Beckam Jr. (he went to Cleveland, obviously).

 

5.  Oakland Raider:  Man is Jon Gruden a genius or what, even as the owner Mark Davis is on the verge of going bankrupt and the Raiders are currently homeless, Jon has by all accounts set his eyes on building another Super team with the Raiders.  Especially after signing former Steeler superstar Antonio Brown.  I'm sure he's going to get his shit together and lead the Raiders to greatness!

 

4.  Miami Dolphins:  They fired Adam Gase and then chucked Ryan Tannehill to the Tennessee Titans.  Took them long enough.  In his stead, they are now leading with QB afficianado and future first round ballot Hall of Famer Ryan Fitzpatrick, who will lead the Dolphins to strip the Patriots of their iron grip on the AFC East--and by extension, the league as a whole, for close to two whole decades now, and finally lead the Dolphins to greatness.

 

3.  New York Giants:  All the cancers on offense are gone, and the aging defense is purged.  The Giants are blowing it all up and starting fresh, with the exception of ageless wonder Eli Manning and rookie sensation Saquon Barkley.  They don't need an offensive line; just start over from scratch, and you're bound to compete for a Super Bowl.  Speaking of ageless wonders....

 

2.  Arizona Cardinals:  Behold, a team whose players have not aged a day.  With barely a hint of injury history to any of them.  And the best rookie quarterback out of a loaded 2018 class in Josh Rosen.  All they needed to do was fire Steve Wilks, and all their ills have been absolved.  The Cardinals are going to the Super Bowl for sure this year.

 

1.  Denver Broncos:  Yes, my team is the ultimate team not just in the NFL but in all of sport.  The legendary signing of Joe Flacco and the firing of failed coaching experiment in Vance Joseph will translate into immediate success for the Broncos in the near future.  Also greatly-underachieving-ever-since-he-got-paid WR Demaryius Thomas is also gone.  Took them long enough.  Now the Orange Crush defense has been bolstered with fresh faces led by Super Bowl 50 MVP Von Miller, and Joe Flacco will lead a juggernaut offense that would make Peyton Manning's record-shattering season look like the premiere offense of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers back in 1976.  A new dynasty is on the horizon.

 

Okay, seriously, I would kill if my Power Rankings were even remotely close to being accurate heading into next year.  Except for the Dolphins and Raiders; couldn't really care less for them.

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Being truthful being a Denver Broncos fan they are lucky to be wild card contention. The division is too tough; Chiefs and Chargers twice. If they escaped with a split with both teams I'll be happy. Joe Flacco can but who he's throwing to? Sutton (I think he has a potential to be #1 WR) no other receiver can step up. I going to enjoy another LONG LONG Season for the Orange and Blue.

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My team is STILL moaning and groaning about that fucking non-call in the NFC title game. "We would've won the SB if not for that!" Please explain to me how the fuck do you blow a 13-0 and 20-10 point lead in the same game. I seriously want to know!! Dallas showed the world how to beat the Saints last year. They wrote the blueprint and that is why Brees' stats completely tanked and fell to the floor at the end of the year (from a 30-2 TD/INT ratio to a horrible 7-5 to end the year). If it weren't for the defense, we would've lost all of our remaining games after Dallas took us behind the woodshed and spanked us. After the Cowboys loss; Tampa Bay, Carolina, Pittsburgh, Philly and the Rams ALL held the Saints high powered offense down. In only one of those games did they score 30 points and it took two controversial penalties that they benefited from (Sorry Saints fans, but yes we did benefit from those two horrible PI calls on Joe Haden to barely get past the Steelers). 

 

My team's coach is bragging about having a rule changed over it. Never mind the fact that our team led the league in defensive pass interference penalties (20 total) last year and reviewing pass interference and non-calls of it, may end up having some consequences towards us. 

 

My team's fans have not and most likely will not ever shut up about that stupid non-call. We cannot have a rational discussion over what went wrong last year, without the person asking questions being labeled a shill for Roger Goodell, working for George Soros or some other blatant conspiracy nonsense. Bountygate truly broke this fan base's brains years ago, but now, they've went beyond the asylum with the conspiracy theories. Everything they disagree with is a conspiracy theory. 

 

You have to be insane to think that Bill Belichick of all people in this world, wouldn't have looked at all the tape from the Dallas game and every game after that and seen how bad the Saints offense had been and came up with a good gameplan to shut them down in the SB. The Eagles and Rams both ran the exact same defensive game plan that Dallas ran and both of them had success doing it. They held the Saints to 20 and 23 points. I have no doubt in my mind, the Patriots would've embarrassed the Saints far worse, but whatever, keep talking about how you got robbed over one blown call and not the fact that you blew a 13-0 and 20-10 point lead. Oh yeah, we won the coin toss for OT and what happened? A Brett Favre style INT like the one from the 2007 NFC title game in OT. But yeah, we totally got robbed! it's the fault of Roger Goodell, the Illuminati and George Soros! 

 

Also let's be real about something else - we played like garbage in the divisional playoff game. Payton was almost out-coached by Doug Pedersen in that game. Seriously, go back and watch that game again if you think I'm nuts. The Saints defense held Philly under 90 yards for 3 quarters and shut out after going up 14-0. If you look at the yards stats, you'd think the Saints blew them out with how one-sided it looks, but they didn't. They barely scored 20 points and then Payton screwed around at the end of the game with bad play calling, going for a 50 yard field goal and missing it, giving Philly enough time to beat them. If not for Jeffrey dropping that pass, we are one and done and would've deserved it with how bad Payton called that game. Payton's play calling was bad that entire game and honestly, I didn't think they'd beat the Rams based off how bad he called the game. I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER the Patriots would've embarrassed us. 

 

I honestly am disappointed that the Saints as a team are still hung up over that stupid non-call and refuse to look at what got them in that situation to start with. You go up 13-0 early in the game and later have a 20-10 lead in the 4th quarter, but piddle around and refuse to shut the door on this team. I knew they were going to lose when the Rams tied it up, cause the Saints had blown a lead twice at that point. The Saints had several opportunities throughout that entire game to put their foot on the gas and blow that team out the water. Brees played bad and Payton called a bad game (Payton was out-coached by McVay, period). 

 

The non-call was bad, but hey, Payton should take responsibility for his offense becoming a train wreck at the end of the year after Dallas exposed them. He did NOTHING to fix the offense after Dallas showed that all you have to do is take away Michael Thomas and Kamara and then the Saints have nothing else to beat you with. The Saints looked like a different team after how Dallas exposed their offense and they never recovered. Payton should be criticized heavily for how bad he coached both playoff games. I want to hear criticism to his play calling long before I hear the fantasy nonsense of how they would've beat the Patriots. 

 

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1 hour ago, Bolt said:

At their peak, who would you say is better:  Vick, or Kaepernick?

 

 

don't give us stats;  just, eye-test/memory

Very hard question to ask; I'm going with Michael Vick. The fastest QB I've ever seen in the NFL

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7 hours ago, Bolt said:

At their peak, who would you say is better:  Vick, or Kaepernick?

 

 

don't give us stats;  just, eye-test/memory

 

I feel like Vick was one Riley Cooper catch away from a Super Bowl appearance in 2010.

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On 4/15/2019 at 1:02 AM, gojiphen malor said:

 

I feel like Vick was one Riley Cooper catch away from a Super Bowl appearance in 2010.

 

The Eagles lost that game on Akers missing those short field goals. It put them in a position to where they had to go for the home run TD pass on the final drive. If he makes those field goals, they could've burned the clock and finished the game with another field goal. GB really got lucky that Philly kept shooting themselves in the foot that day. 

 

Green Bay did not play all that great in that playoff run. Flukey win over the Eagles, stomped an overrated Falcons team (The NFC South in 2010 had 3 teams win 10 or more games from playing weak schedules and all 3 of them were embarrassed at multiple points in the season), then got lucky Jay Cutler gave up in the NFC title game (Bears dramatically outplayed them in the second half of that game) and then in the SB, they blew a 21-3 lead letting Pittsburgh come back to life and nearly beat them. If not for that fumble on the first play of the 4th quarter, I do strongly believe the Steelers would've won that SB. 

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On 4/16/2019 at 2:14 AM, _DEBERG said:

 

The Eagles lost that game on Akers missing those short field goals. It put them in a position to where they had to go for the home run TD pass on the final drive. If he makes those field goals, they could've burned the clock and finished the game with another field goal. GB really got lucky that Philly kept shooting themselves in the foot that day. 

 

Green Bay did not play all that great in that playoff run. Flukey win over the Eagles, stomped an overrated Falcons team (The NFC South in 2010 had 3 teams win 10 or more games from playing weak schedules and all 3 of them were embarrassed at multiple points in the season), then got lucky Jay Cutler gave up in the NFC title game (Bears dramatically outplayed them in the second half of that game) and then in the SB, they blew a 21-3 lead letting Pittsburgh come back to life and nearly beat them. If not for that fumble on the first play of the 4th quarter, I do strongly believe the Steelers would've won that SB. 

Keep in Mind the 2010 GB Packers had to go on the Road to get to that Super Bowl; Rodgers in that Falcons game was unreal. 366 passing yards five incompletions 3 tds and in the Super Bowl vs Steelers yeah he threw for 300 but should had 400 yards if it wasn't for four drops. Show some love.

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Who has the Saints going to the Super Bowl? I don't want to hear "they were Screwed" comments, WRONG! They did it to themselves. Sure, the missed PI was missed but you can't assume that they were going to get a touchdown. Yes, they had the lead but didn't make the defensive play to prevent the LA Rams from tying the game. Saints also won the coin toss in OT, their first drive was an INT that lead to the Rams FG winner.  We'll see after the NFL Draft!

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On 4/14/2019 at 7:00 PM, Bolt said:

At their peak, who would you say is better:  Vick, or Kaepernick?

 

 

don't give us stats;  just, eye-test/memory

 

It is possible we never saw Kaep's peak, and I still think he was better those two years where they made the SB and then the conference championship. Vick had the better career, obviously, but Kaep's career getting cut short was not his fault.  

 

How I think of Vick: 69ps 31pc 50ms

How I think of Kaepernick: 63ps 50pc 38ms

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