Bad Moon Rison Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 We all know Steve Grogan is the worst QB in Tecmo (right?). Has anyone ever tried to create a list of the worst players in Tecmo? Or better yet, has anyone ever modified a rom to play a season with the worst players in Tecmo? That would be quite the challenge! Knobbe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlueman Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Have you checked out this site: https://tecmogeek.com All players rated from top to bottom on that site. I refer to it constantly. Then you also have all the spreadsheets posted on the site, here is one I found very useful as well: As for the rom, do you mean a rom with all positions having the worst player ratings by position? Or one team with all of the worst players? That would be a simple edit with TSB Tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Moon Rison Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 Thanks! I was thinking one team with all the worst players. Like a super team! Donnie Dohnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlueman Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Here would be the roster I'd go with: QB Steve Grogan - NE Jim Harbaugh - CHI RB Don Smith - BUF Kenneth Davis - BUF Sammy Winder - DEN Leroy Hoard - CLE WR Lonzell Hill - NO Danny Peebles - TB Leo Lewis - MIN Glen Kozlowski - CHI TE Tim Jorden - PHX Mike Dyal - RAI OT Randy Grimes - TB Carl Bax - TB Ron Solt - PHI Mike Kenn - ATL Rob Taylor - TB DL Jim Skow - TB Greg Kragen - DEN Keith Ferguson - DET LB Kevin Murphy - TB Dennis Gibson - DET Eugene Marve - TB George Jamison - DET DB Wymon Henderson - DEN Lewis Billups - CIN Wes Hopkins - PHI Andre Waters - PHI PK Mike Lansford - RAM P Barry Helton - SF Knobbe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobbe Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Something tells me this is something Leif Powers has already done. Pulled from TSBTool *Criteria* Players who can't be moved around evaluated per position (RILB, ROLB, Center, etc) Players who can move around evaluated by position (All WRs evaluated together) Players out of position aren't included (Aubrey Matthews and his 19 Max Speed is a WR, not a RB) ================================================================= QB based on combination of pass control, pass speed, and max speed QB1 steve GROGAN patriots #14 25 69 6 13 19 25 31 44 [1 3 2 ] QB1 jim HARBAUGH bears #4 25 69 13 13 44 25 56 25 [3 5 2 ] Steve Grogan is universally regarded as the worst player in the game and has the lowest Pass Control, Passing Speed, and Max Speed of any QB in the game. Harbaugh and his 25 Pass Control grabs the other spot but you can make an argument for the slightly better passing Jeff George and his 6 MS. Cody Carlson is your worst backup though if you consider MS highly in these decisions it's Jim McMahon. ================================================================= RB based on combination of Max Speed, Hitting Power, and receiving RB3 kenneth DAVIS bills #23 38 69 25 19 50 31 [5 2 7 2 ] RB4 don SMITH bills #30 38 69 25 19 50 31 [3 3 8 2 ] RB3 leroy HOARD browns #33 44 69 25 31 50 25 [3 1 4 0 ] RB3 sammy WINDER broncos #23 44 69 25 31 50 25 [4 2 7 1 ] The Bills backups are rock bottom in the game. Hoard and Winder have slightly better RS and HP but are almost as equally terrible. Steve Sewell's 50 Receptions keeps him off the list but he's essentially the worst starting RB in the game. Marvin Allen only has 1 run due to the Patriots' Off I playbook so while he's technically not the lead back on the team he's the worst "RB1" ================================================================= WR based on combination of Max Speed and Receptions WR3 fred BANKS dolphins #86 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 9 8 0 ] WR3 terance MATHIS jets #81 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 3 6 2 ] WR3 vernon JOINES browns #80 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 3 7 0 ] WR3 glen KOZLOWSKI bears #88 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 5 8 1 ] WR3 leo LEWIS vikings #87 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 3 7 1 ] WR3 danny PEEBLES buccaneers #83 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 5 5 2 ] WR3 lonzell HILL saints #87 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 4 8 1 ] WR4 al EDWARDS bills #85 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 4 7 2 ] WR4 jojo TOWNSELL jets #83 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 3 7 0 ] WR4 brian BRENNAN browns #86 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 4 7 6 ] Once you filter out Running Backs slotted at WRs you find the profile of the worst WRs in the game is a 10 way tie between guys with 44 receptions, 19 MS and 25 RS. Steeler WR Chris Calloway doesn't make the list because his 81 ball control gives you a slightly better chance of not fumbling. While Sam Graddy and his 19 reception ability is easily the worst for a WR in the game, his Andre Rison level speed makes him way too valuable to make this list. Derek Hill and Aubrey Matthews get the nod for the worst starting WR duo. ================================================================= TE based on combination of Max Speed, Hitting Power, and Receptions TE2 john TALLEY browns #87 25 69 19 38 50 25 [1 1 6 0 TE2 mike DYAL raiders #84 25 69 19 38 50 25 [1 1 12 0 ] TE2 tim JORDEN cardinals #85 25 69 19 38 50 25 [1 2 5 2 ] It's a 3 way tie for the two guys to have on your team who can't block, catch, or run well. Special shoutout to starting tight end Don Warren who is almost as equally useless and has guys like Gerald Riggs or Kelvin Bryant who are no-brainer substitutes. ================================================================= OL based on worst HP, then MS C randy GRIMES buccaneers #60 25 69 38 31 LG carl BAX buccaneers #75 25 69 25 38 RG ron SOLT eagles #66 25 69 19 38 LT mike KENN falcons #78 25 69 31 38 RT rob TAYLOR buccaneers #72 25 69 25 38 The Buc's line is made up of 3 of the worst linemen in the game which probably explains Vinny Testaverde's unexpected Max Speed numbers as necessary to dodge NFC Central lineman vs gaining yards. Randy Grimes and his 31 Hitting Power takes the cake. ================================================================= DL mostly based on HP DLine LE keith FERGUSON lions #77 25 31 25 31 19 31 [33 1 ] NT scott MERSEREAU jets #94 25 31 31 44 19 31 [43 0 ] NT greg KRAGEN broncos #71 25 31 31 44 19 31 [20 0 ] RE jim SKOW buccaneers #71 25 31 38 31 19 44 [9 1 ] There is a tie for bad NT. These are guys who are going to be locked up by OL-men and then slow should they actually find themselves free. Keith "Turd" Ferguson takes the title as worst DL-man in the game. ================================================================= LB mostly based on HP and Speed ROLB kevin MURPHY buccaneers #59 25 31 38 31 19 25 [64 1 ] RILB dennis GIBSON lions #98 25 31 31 31 19 25 [5 5 ] LILB brian NOBLE packers #91 25 31 31 31 19 31 [9 2 ] LILB scott STUDWELL vikings #55 25 31 31 31 19 31 [1 4 ] LILB eugene MARVE buccaneers #99 25 31 31 31 19 25 [25 1 ] LOLB george JAMISON lions #58 25 31 31 25 19 25 [20 7 ] George Jamison and his 25 HP secures the title as worst linebacker in a core that features a couple of Lions. Honorable mention to Joe Kelly at ROLB as his 31 MS cements his status as "worst ROLB to use to block a kick" ================================================================= DB mostly based on Rushing Speed and INT LCB chris GOODE colts #37 25 31 38 38 31 31 [0 25 ] LCB mark LEE packers #22 25 31 38 38 31 31 [5 20 ] RCB wymon HENDERSON broncos #24 25 31 19 38 38 31 [0 51 ] FS thane GASH browns #30 25 31 38 44 31 31 [5 28 ] SS andre WATERS eagles #20 25 31 19 31 25 19 [7 25 ] I think these players are really the only ones I disagree with @SBlueman on though they're all terrible. I'm placing more value on INTs and less on MS so Thane Gash easily gets the call for me over Wes Hopkins and the LCB tandem of Goode and Lee beat out other candidates such as Jerry Gray or Lewis Billups. Andre Waters is the Steve Grogan of defense and gets the nod as Defensive Captain of this terrible team. ================================================================= Kickers based on kicking ability! K mike LANSFORD rams #1 56 81 81 31 19 25 [2 ] P barry HELTON 49ers #9 25 56 44 31 19 38 [2 ] Kickers and punters are all the same speed and HP so it boils down to simple kicking ability. Lansford and Helton are the lowest ranked kickers with avoid kick block as the tiebreaker. segathonsov and SBlueman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathonsov Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Good post. QB is used so much Grogan probably takes it, but he can be subbed so maybe he's not the worst. RB's when Thermal goes down, you could make a case how bad his BU's are. And Leroy Hoard his fitting famous quote does hit the field as well when Metcalf and Mack play some time as Wr/TEs in match ups. WR/TE's are a dime a dozen but TE John Talley and his stats I think were assigned as "worst drone player" if you didn't have enough money to fill your team in the fabled ETC auction draft league TB OL could perhaps take induction if you counted OL as one position. LB Eugene Marve plays above his stats a la Johnny Johnson and has an award was named after him in the Noob Football League for a bad drone player who always seems to get sacks, and fumble recoveries. But I think there is a good case for Andre Waters as worst Tecmo player ever. He can't be subbed and is a complete liability on the field like Ryan Gosling in Remember the Titians Knobbe, SBlueman and ~Tailback King~ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisgood Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I did a column on this awhile back for tecmobowlers.com. I think it was called Tecmo Wimps; the article included a rom where one team was made of the worst players by position. SBlueman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBlueman Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) Found it: https://tecmobowlers.com/2015/07/02/the-ultimate-tecmo-challenge/ Love those articles, especially the Stat Correction articles. Any chance of seeing the articles come back? Edited October 19, 2018 by SBlueman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Tailback King~ Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 9:47 AM, Knobbe said: Something tells me this is something Leif Powers has already done. Pulled from TSBTool *Criteria* Players who can't be moved around evaluated per position (RILB, ROLB, Center, etc) Players who can move around evaluated by position (All WRs evaluated together) Players out of position aren't included (Aubrey Matthews and his 19 Max Speed is a WR, not a RB) ================================================================= QB based on combination of pass control, pass speed, and max speed QB1 steve GROGAN patriots #14 25 69 6 13 19 25 31 44 [1 3 2 ] QB1 jim HARBAUGH bears #4 25 69 13 13 44 25 56 25 [3 5 2 ] Steve Grogan is universally regarded as the worst player in the game and has the lowest Pass Control, Passing Speed, and Max Speed of any QB in the game. Harbaugh and his 25 Pass Control grabs the other spot but you can make an argument for the slightly better passing Jeff George and his 6 MS. Cody Carlson is your worst backup though if you consider MS highly in these decisions it's Jim McMahon. ================================================================= RB based on combination of Max Speed, Hitting Power, and receiving RB3 kenneth DAVIS bills #23 38 69 25 19 50 31 [5 2 7 2 ] RB4 don SMITH bills #30 38 69 25 19 50 31 [3 3 8 2 ] RB3 leroy HOARD browns #33 44 69 25 31 50 25 [3 1 4 0 ] RB3 sammy WINDER broncos #23 44 69 25 31 50 25 [4 2 7 1 ] The Bills backups are rock bottom in the game. Hoard and Winder have slightly better RS and HP but are almost as equally terrible. Steve Sewell's 50 Receptions keeps him off the list but he's essentially the worst starting RB in the game. Marvin Allen only has 1 run due to the Patriots' Off I playbook so while he's technically not the lead back on the team he's the worst "RB1" ================================================================= WR based on combination of Max Speed and Receptions WR3 fred BANKS dolphins #86 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 9 8 0 ] WR3 terance MATHIS jets #81 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 3 6 2 ] WR3 vernon JOINES browns #80 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 3 7 0 ] WR3 glen KOZLOWSKI bears #88 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 5 8 1 ] WR3 leo LEWIS vikings #87 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 3 7 1 ] WR3 danny PEEBLES buccaneers #83 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 5 5 2 ] WR3 lonzell HILL saints #87 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 4 8 1 ] WR4 al EDWARDS bills #85 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 4 7 2 ] WR4 jojo TOWNSELL jets #83 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 3 7 0 ] WR4 brian BRENNAN browns #86 25 69 19 13 50 44 [1 4 7 6 ] Once you filter out Running Backs slotted at WRs you find the profile of the worst WRs in the game is a 10 way tie between guys with 44 receptions, 19 MS and 25 RS. Steeler WR Chris Calloway doesn't make the list because his 81 ball control gives you a slightly better chance of not fumbling. While Sam Graddy and his 19 reception ability is easily the worst for a WR in the game, his Andre Rison level speed makes him way too valuable to make this list. Derek Hill and Aubrey Matthews get the nod for the worst starting WR duo. ================================================================= TE based on combination of Max Speed, Hitting Power, and Receptions TE2 john TALLEY browns #87 25 69 19 38 50 25 [1 1 6 0 TE2 mike DYAL raiders #84 25 69 19 38 50 25 [1 1 12 0 ] TE2 tim JORDEN cardinals #85 25 69 19 38 50 25 [1 2 5 2 ] It's a 3 way tie for the two guys to have on your team who can't block, catch, or run well. Special shoutout to starting tight end Don Warren who is almost as equally useless and has guys like Gerald Riggs or Kelvin Bryant who are no-brainer substitutes. ================================================================= OL based on worst HP, then MS C randy GRIMES buccaneers #60 25 69 38 31 LG carl BAX buccaneers #75 25 69 25 38 RG ron SOLT eagles #66 25 69 19 38 LT mike KENN falcons #78 25 69 31 38 RT rob TAYLOR buccaneers #72 25 69 25 38 The Buc's line is made up of 3 of the worst linemen in the game which probably explains Vinny Testaverde's unexpected Max Speed numbers as necessary to dodge NFC Central lineman vs gaining yards. Randy Grimes and his 31 Hitting Power takes the cake. ================================================================= DL mostly based on HP DLine LE keith FERGUSON lions #77 25 31 25 31 19 31 [33 1 ] NT scott MERSEREAU jets #94 25 31 31 44 19 31 [43 0 ] NT greg KRAGEN broncos #71 25 31 31 44 19 31 [20 0 ] RE jim SKOW buccaneers #71 25 31 38 31 19 44 [9 1 ] There is a tie for bad NT. These are guys who are going to be locked up by OL-men and then slow should they actually find themselves free. Keith "Turd" Ferguson takes the title as worst DL-man in the game. ================================================================= LB mostly based on HP and Speed ROLB kevin MURPHY buccaneers #59 25 31 38 31 19 25 [64 1 ] RILB dennis GIBSON lions #98 25 31 31 31 19 25 [5 5 ] LILB brian NOBLE packers #91 25 31 31 31 19 31 [9 2 ] LILB scott STUDWELL vikings #55 25 31 31 31 19 31 [1 4 ] LILB eugene MARVE buccaneers #99 25 31 31 31 19 25 [25 1 ] LOLB george JAMISON lions #58 25 31 31 25 19 25 [20 7 ] George Jamison and his 25 HP secures the title as worst linebacker in a core that features a couple of Lions. Honorable mention to Joe Kelly at ROLB as his 31 MS cements his status as "worst ROLB to use to block a kick" ================================================================= DB mostly based on Rushing Speed and INT LCB chris GOODE colts #37 25 31 38 38 31 31 [0 25 ] LCB mark LEE packers #22 25 31 38 38 31 31 [5 20 ] RCB wymon HENDERSON broncos #24 25 31 19 38 38 31 [0 51 ] FS thane GASH browns #30 25 31 38 44 31 31 [5 28 ] SS andre WATERS eagles #20 25 31 19 31 25 19 [7 25 ] I think these players are really the only ones I disagree with @SBlueman on though they're all terrible. I'm placing more value on INTs and less on MS so Thane Gash easily gets the call for me over Wes Hopkins and the LCB tandem of Goode and Lee beat out other candidates such as Jerry Gray or Lewis Billups. Andre Waters is the Steve Grogan of defense and gets the nod as Defensive Captain of this terrible team. ================================================================= Kickers based on kicking ability! K mike LANSFORD rams #1 56 81 81 31 19 25 [2 ] P barry HELTON 49ers #9 25 56 44 31 19 38 [2 ] Kickers and punters are all the same speed and HP so it boils down to simple kicking ability. Lansford and Helton are the lowest ranked kickers with avoid kick block as the tiebreaker. Kinda funny.......This would be a really good team in real life. Knobbe and SBlueman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Moon Rison Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 @keithisgood Thanks to the link for the Ultimate Tecmo Challenge! I didn't realize there was a rom attached to it (the facebook post didn't load). I created my own team based on what @SBlueman and @Knobbe suggested but probably should have tried yours first! I loaded all the Tecmo scrubs onto the Cardinals. Why the Cardinals? According to the TSB FAQ, they have the hardest schedule based off the 1991 calendar. I figured going up against the Giants and Eagles twice (Cowboys are no slouch either) and the AFC Central with Houston, Cincy, and a stalwart Pittsburgh defense might be part of the reason why. So far I am 3-0, but have let off at least one absurd run per game, including a WR reverse TD to Washington WR Gary Clark. I have experimented with the playbooks some though it's pretty close to what my actual playbook is in most MAN games. Leroy Hoard got injured early in my first game, so Sammy Winder has taken up a lot of the slack on the ground. Checking player conditions is VITAL. Winder has been great since he's been hovering around Good/Excellent so far, as has Mike Dyal. It's still early in the season, so Tecmo Juice mode hasn't quite hit full steam. I'm sure there's a really tight game coming up. SBlueman, Knobbe and WackoforFlacco 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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