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I'm sure many of you have noticed the so long messages on tecmo Madison.  It's ridiculous and very bad.  There are many fans of the tournament who never go on this board or the tecmo super bowl discord.  It will make us seem like a joke.

 

Recently I have lost a lot of faith and respect for the various people that run the key aspects of this community.  It has led to the point where it looks like these are mere attempts at community manipulation.  This needs to end.  So do the whispers behind other people's backs.  It's time to come forward with any accusations the leaders of this community have against other members of the community.  No more talking behind the backs of other people.

 

Finally if tecmo Madison is really "so long" I would like to thank Dave Murray for a wonderful job of keeping it alive the last two years.  It was a trying time and I am sure he wished for greater success.  

 

Last and not least I would like to mention this publicly.  I will make a good face effort to purchase the rights of tecmo Madison if or when the current organizers feel they cannot continue running it.  Now or further down the road.  As long as there is a strong interest in the event I want to keep it alive.  I also want to keep it as part of the tecmo community.  I've done a lot of brain storming and I feel tecmo Madison is a vital part of this community. 

 

I would also appreciate if this post was not moved, edited or deleted in any fashion.  

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Do you know the daily TecmoMadison.com traffic in the offseason? Probably not. 

It isn't for sale.

It isn't gone.

Have patience. This is a classic overreaction from the SAME CREW of people.

 

Ok, you lost faith in me. I have lost faith in a lot of this and a lot of these people. There is no manipulation. This isn't your tournament to decide.

 

"I also want to keep it as part of the Tecmo community . I've done a lot of brain storming and I feel Tecmo Madison is a vital part of this community." 

Yup. Funny that the abusive actions by some suddenly have ramifications, huh? You guys are getting what you wanted.

I'm not replying to this thread again so don't bother engaging me with questions. An announcement is forthcoming.

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That's all I needed to know.  At the same time tecmo Madison is something I and a lot of people in this community Care about.  We want to keep it alive.  So I don't see how a good faith offer to purchase the rights of the tourney by me and other members of the community is anything other than a security net from a group of friends to another.  

This is the catch 22 you entered when you made the purchase of the rights and also when the business began to lose money and consumer confidence.  The fact you could lose it all for nothing.  Down the drain.  I'm saying that won't happen.

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9 minutes ago, mort1237 said:

when the business began to lose money

One misconception I would prefer we would all be clear on is that Madison never made money, ever. I'm not going to speak to anything else, others can all handle their own business.

 

I have been affiliated with the administration of Tecmo Madison since the very first one at the Plaza. At no point was anyone making any kind of money from the tournament, to say that now the tournament has begun to lose money is false, it was always a financial loser with no break even in sight.

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Sorry, I lied. One reply.

 

I didn't "start" losing money. I knew I would lose money. I spent a fortune on Madison and its subsidiaries before I took it over. I don't (didn't) care about losing money. You guys care wayyyyyyy more about money than I ever did. I never even thought about that shit until last year when it became some people's mission to unearth the tens of thousands I made from it.

 

In closing, be careful what you wish for. Be careful with whom you place trust. Ask before you flip the eff out. <-- These life tips were never a worry until Tecmo XIII.

A wise monk once said, "If something is a problem in the room and something is a problem out of the room, what is the actual problem?"

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13 minutes ago, davefmurray said:

Sorry, I lied. One reply.

 

I didn't "start" losing money. I knew I would lose money. I spent a fortune on Madison and its subsidiaries before I took it over. I don't (didn't) care about losing money. You guys care wayyyyyyy more about money than I ever did. I never even thought about that shit until last year when it became some people's mission to unearth the tens of thousands I made from it.

Dave.  This isn't about trying to gain money.  Most of us understand the expense of running the tournament.  Most of us understand you are willing to lose money.  Most people that run a tecmo tourney plan to lose money.

 

What this is about is a statement that other people are willing to lose money.  Other people are willing to take on a burden.  It's not just me.  

 

Yet at the same time I wonder if a friend is losing too much money. Perhaps each year this event is another straw on the back of the camel.  

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For example in the early days of the green bay packers they had to save the franchise and the only way to do that was public support.  Hence going public and the sale of stock that is used to invest the franchise.

I don't suggest the going public part.  But posting a list of your yearly losses and doing a fund raiser is another possibility.  With a detailed report of yearly losses i would be willing to make a significant contribution to the effort of running Madison.

 

Similar to how the packers stock it would just be money donated.  You would still be in full control.

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I have to say I'm reminded of the time when Tony decided to stop running TCS and a lot of people were upset with it and at him.  While I understand that people were upset at the end of the day it was his decision and I very much respected it.

 

When the H'Bauers decided to end their TM run, that was that as far as I was concerned. They had no obligation to run their very successful tournament that they'd put together. They had zero obligation to hand it over to anyone. Dave inquired about running it, they found what he had to say acceptable, and thus Dave took it over and ran. Had the H'Bauers decided to decline and the tourney was over, that would have been just fine, too.  Once again people might have been upset at the tournament stopping but everything eventually does and I would have respected that.

 

You can see where i'm going here.  This tourney is whatever Dave decides to do with it. If he decides to run it until he's 80 or run it once every few years or hand it off to someone or never run it again, that is his business.  People cannot like it, they can be upset, etc but at the end of the day I'm very much going to respect it.  I would feel the same way about any other tournament out there.  Who is anyone to dictate otherwise?

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After Tecmo 12 I was approached by several prominent members of the community about running what we will call the "replacement" tournament in Chicago.

Basically a large as possible tecmo event on the date Madison used to be held on.  It was all hypothetical.  I also won't name any names as I fear reprisals against them.  

In all but name and location it would have been Madison 13.  Then Dave stepped in and any hypothetical plans stopped.  And these where mostly half baked thoughts with very little action behind it. 

Now say Dave decides Madison is dead and done.  That is his right as you said.  Just as when Tony ended TCS.  But at the same time a new college football league could have been started by the members of TCS out of no disrespect to Tony.  

It's the same situation here.  In that situation if there is demand someone will try and step in.  Maybe another current event will become the prominent event.  I don't think tecmo is so dead that there will be no demand for a new large tournament.

So yes.  If Dave wants to end it then Tecmo Madison will end. However tecmo tournaments are going to keep going on at least for a few more years.

I don't like that scenario because of the loose ends it will cause.  There will be regret and remorse.  Perhaps other negative emotions that could be avoided.

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2 minutes ago, mort1237 said:

running what we will call the "replacement" tournament in Chicago.

 

I have said this a lot and will continue to say this: No one is stopping anyone from running another very large tournament.

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6 minutes ago, Knobbe said:

 

I have said this a lot and will continue to say this: No one is stopping anyone from running another very large tournament.

That would be rather pointless as long as there is a tecmo Madison.  There really is only demand for one really big event yearly.  At the moment I prefer smaller events. There is more demand for smaller events.  But at the end of the day that demand for the one big event is still strong.  

 

Also most people want that event to be tecmo Madison due to its history.

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21 minutes ago, mort1237 said:

That would be rather pointless as long as there is a tecmo Madison.  There really is only demand for one really big event yearly.  At the moment I prefer smaller events. There is more demand for smaller events.  But at the end of the day that demand for the one big event is still strong.  

 

I don't agree with this opinion.  Just because there is one very large tournament now doesn't mean that is what will be or has to be.

 

Approximately 60% of the people that go to TecmoMadison are within a two hour drive; that tourney is where it is because of the local base. There seems to be plenty of people playing Tecmo in Ohio. In theory guys out there running separate tourneys could pool together and grab a ton of people in between them which would inevitably attract people from all over like Madison does.  It would take a ton of effort but that's what something like this takes.

 

On the flip side if Madison does end there is no guarantee that any other tournament will approach half of the people it has attracted in the past.

 

Also I think having a 200+ person tournament in a centrally located place like Chicago would be great and if that's what someone wants to do they should go for it. I had a blast back in the day at Odell's tourney.

 

 

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Also I think the lesson here is don't assume something is dead until you have heard a definite word from the horse's mouth.

 

You have to get really close to it, but it'll whisper "I'm officially dead for sure now," from it's dead horse mouth. Also be careful as the horse will probably lose control of it's bowels when it dies too.

 

 

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I don't know all the details but on its face this seems to be unnecessarily contentious. Dave can do whatever he wants with Tecmo Madison, and some of the frequent voices he tends to hear from are critical even though the vast majority of participants support what he's done and are thankful he's kept Tecmo Madison going. Knobbe is right that people can try to throw whatever tournament they want.  Mort is saying he doesn't want to step on Tecmo Madison's toes by trying to throw another large tournament, but wants to provide an option for Tecmo Madison to continue should it ever be in flux (and completely up to Dave if he would want to accept the option in that scenario). I'm unclear why Mort lost confidence in the people he mentions but otherwise his offer seems like a positive thing for the tecmo community - just a potential safety net that may not ever be wanted or needed. 

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