bruddog Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I know a some people aren't ondiscord or don't follow my twitter account. Over the weekend I hacked the original rom to have the COM kick onsides kicks to each other over and over anad recorded the results in sram, While these results may be slightly different to man mode because of the man kicker i think it would be pretty close. I hacked the game so the COM would always kick at the same bar length. Here are the results. These aren't meant to be absolute numbers but rather a baseline. Obviously conditions/teams involved will make a difference. I ran this test in season mode and it got thru about 3.5 weeks worth of season games for about 5000 total kicks per run. malferds and toolie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecmobo Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Interesting. I never realized that the bar length affected the result, but makes sense. In games with the best teams where they are likely to score every possession, I wonder if kicking more onsides as P1 every time is the best strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 so, P2 actually recovered some of them? but wait.... since you ran it in season mode, COM JUICE should distort the data. so, maybe run these tests in preseason, or SET the juice to all 0's to make sure it doesn't change the "normal" outcome. of course, I could be wrong and COM v COM doesn't use juice at all, but I am thinking it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruddog Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Good idea. Like i said its rough guideline. The juice would probably be minor the first few weeks. Which is all i ran it for. I fixed the issue of the P2 ball position right after the kicker kicks it to match p1 and that drastically changed p2 odds on no bar....improved recovery to about 3% vs 0.5%. So its a big part of the problem but not all. I think the small edge p1 may have in recovering a ball is the other main culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathonsov Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Were there certain teams that recovered more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFM Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, segathonsov said: Were there certain teams that recovered more? That would be a disturbing amount of data points. segathonsov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathonsov Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just now, davefmurray said: That would be a disturbing amount of data points. I'm more disturbed about Spud Webb out rebounding Derrick Colman and pushing him around like a b*tch! DFM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruddog Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, davefmurray said: That would be a disturbing amount of data points. Disturbing is my middle name... @segathonsov I will try and run something sometime this week with what I would think be the worst teams at recovering...ind,cle and probably the best nyg,pit segathonsov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red98sethuthut Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 This makes sense because seems like a lot of accidental onside kicks are successful a lot. You know u meant to get full kick and u get onside kick recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segathonsov Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Yeah I've always stopped short of full bar kicks fearing an onsides. But may change to try to hit that full bar more because if you miss late and empty bar gives you a nice shot at recovery. Especially for a player like me that needs some tecmo god intervention to win. malferds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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