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Chris Long is sneaky good.  I'm nervous about him coming off the edge.  The dudes motor is always going and always seems to be involved in big plays.  Loved him on the Pats last year.  I remember one play, forget which game it was, but he pressured the QB, QB dumped it to the RB who ran 10 yards downfield and fumbled.  At one point, Long was 20 yards away from the ball carrier... and he managed to recover the fumble.

 

Also something that I don't think anyone has ever mentioned... on the Hightower strip sack in the Super Bowl last year (the play that pretty much changed the game), Long bull rushed the OT on the other side and may have had Matty Ice's attention.

 

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Honestly, I don't want to watch this Super Bowl.  The Patriots have made the game rather dull and the Eagles...well, let's just say Eat Dat Pussy makes Christian Wheston Chandler look like James Bond as far as their respective fandoms are concerned.  And frankly, I do not want to be anywhere near present when either club wins the Super Bowl.

 

Though if I have to make a pick--not just on who is going to win, but also the closest thing to a team I want to win--it probably has to be the Patriots.  Because Eagle fans...they just make it tougher and tougher to dictate whose fanbase is worse between them and the Seahawks.  At least Patriot fans aren't gonna go rioting in the streets because their team won or lost the Super Bowl.  It's pretty much going to be just an average Thursday to them.  Or rather, an average Sunday since NFL and whatnot.

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I can go on and on with conspiracy theories as to whether or not the NFL refs are rigging games.  I honestly think it's mostly a product of sheer incompetence as overseen by Crony Roger as I will henceforth refer to him as.

 

But was the AFC Championship game rigged?  Well, there's two ways to look at it.  Yes, but subconsciously because the refs are not going to give the Patriots the same kind of flak as the Jaguars.  Why?  Because they are scared stiff of the home crowd, and contrary to the frequent snubbing from every major top ten list, the Patriots have one of the harshest homefield advantages in the entire league, rivaled by the 12th Man when the Seahawks were in their prime.

 

Another way to look at it could very well be from up top.  I mean, can you imagine just how tough it would be to sell Blake Bortles vs. Nick Foles in the Super Bowl?  At least had the Vikings won, there would be the novelty of a team hosting the Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history (even though the Vikings would be the designated road team).  Just to help sell the game, they would need the Patriots to win because then we have Tom Brady shooting for Ring number 6.

 

How many Super Bowls have we have between two no-name QB's?  Honestly, not a lot.  You could say Super Bowl XLVII is one, but they already had the novelty of two head coaches who were brothers playing in the Super Bowl, as well as the final rides for the Ravens' Ray Lewis and the 49ers' Randy Moss before both players retired.  You could say Super Bowl XL, but I don't count that since Big Ben was fresh off the greatest rookie season ever for a quarterback, and there really weren't anybody of note in the NFC playoff race anyways.  Before that, Super Bowl XXXVII had Brad Johnson vs. Rich Gannon, but the latter player won League MVP same goes for Kurt Warner vs. Steve McNair in Super Bowl XXXIV.

 

So what I have to look for is a Super Bowl between two quarterbacks that were complete nobodies when they played, and still remained irrelevant afterwards.  The only Super Bowl that immediately springs to mind is Super Bowl XXXV, a most chaotic and unpredictable of NFL years as the landscape was shifting drastically from the old regime at the time.  Nobody was fully onboard with the Patriots or Colts yet, and the Chargers were witnessing the disastrous Ryan Leaf.  The next closest thing would be Super Bowls XV, XVII, XX, and XLVII, and even then, many of those guys were relevant beforehand and especially during their respective seasons and only eventually fell off shortly after they won (well, Plunkett did win a second ring).

 

But as to whether or not the NFL is rigged?  If it is, I like to lean more towards the first option.  The refs simply unaware of what they're doing subconsciously, and are merely doing whatever they can to avoid angering the Patriot fans in their home stadium.  It makes sense.  We haven't seen a team win a conference championship game on the road in five years, so there is plenty of proof here to go around.  No more edits.  Promise.

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On 1/26/2018 at 2:49 PM, Mike Gordan said:

The Patriots have made the game rather dull and the Eagles...well, let's just say Eat Dat Pussy makes Christian Wheston Chandler look like James Bond as far as their respective fandoms are concerned.

 

Is this a Jim Everett / Chris Chandler riddle?

 

 

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On 1/26/2018 at 3:45 PM, Mike Gordan said:

But as to whether or not the NFL is rigged?  If it is, I like to lean more towards the first option.  The refs simply unaware of what they're doing subconsciously, and are merely doing whatever they can to avoid angering the Patriot fans in their home stadium.  It makes sense.  We haven't seen a team win a conference championship game on the road in five years, so there is plenty of proof here to go around.  No more edits.  Promise.

 

This seems like taking the effect and making it the cause.  Home teams have the advantage in the first place.  In the playoffs, the teams with the best records (which typically means they're the better teams) have the homefield advantage. Thus a statement like "we haven't seen a team win a conference championship game on the road in 5 years" is another way of saying "we haven't seen an underdog win a conference championship game in 5 years". What does that prove?

 

To me the theory that a coach as obsessive about details as Belichek values not getting penalties and does leg work to avoid them makes a lot more sense than itimitaded refs.

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Congratulations to the following for their induction to the Pro Football Hall of Fame:

Randy Moss 1998-2012 Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots, San Francisco 49ers, Tennessee Titans
Brian Dawkins 1996-2012 Philadelphia Eagles, Denver Broncos
Brian Urlacher 2000-2012 Chicago Bears
Terrell Owens 1995-2010, 2012 San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys, Buffalo Bills, Cincinnatti Bengals, Seattle Seahawks* 
Bobby Beathard [contributor] 1963, 1967-2000 KC Chiefs, Atlanta Falcons, Miami Dolphins, Washington Redskins,  San Diego Chargers
Robert Brazile 1975-1984 Houston Oilers
Ray Lewis 1996-2012 Baltimore Ravens
Jerry Kramer 1958-1968 Green Bay Packers

*denotes offseason only

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Well... my feeling after week 1 that continued throughout the entire year came back to be the ultimate reason they didn't get #6. 

 

On 9/8/2017 at 12:17 AM, Bodom said:

I am legitimately concerned about the Pats defense this year. This bend but don't break (but sometimes break) D is getting old. Bring some MFing pressure! 

 

 

Another great Super Bowl.  But man, what a pathetic performance by the Pats D.  I don't mind saying it.  Brady throws for over 500 yards, 3 TDs... and loses.  Just crazy.  Oh well.  The team exceeded my expectations this year after losing both Edelman and Hightower and will be back next year. 

 

Congrats to Philly... they came to play.  What gutsy calls from Pederson... converting on two 4th downs.  He's got balls of steel!  That play call at the end of the first half... wow.  Eagles came in with a great offensive game plan and they executed. 

 

Until next season...

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PHILA never left any room for doubt ... EVER.

 

 

 

Side-note:  "NBC"/in particular, al 'Doosh' michaels, sounded - at the end of their redundant little broadcast - particularly dismayed at who won that game !...  :-D

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Great game. Pats Defense played terribly. Tom Brady strip sack sucked big time. Losing Cooks sucked big time. Tom Brady played an B+/A- game throwing 500+ yards. Questionable offensive and defensive calls on big plays by the Pats coordinators. The calls very much felt like a swan song for McDaniels and Patricia. The Eagles played a complete game. Congrats, Philly fans.

 

In all likelihood, one way or another, the 2018/2019 Patriots team will be this Patriots’ team’s final ride. If they win the Super Bowl, if they don’t; doesn’t matter. The Patriots as we know them now all skill members taken into account will play one last year together. And this has nothing to do with anybody’s contract status. Enjoy it while we can, New England fans.

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14 minutes ago, Yak said:

Great game. Pats Defense played terribly. Tom Brady strip sack sucked big time. Losing Cooks sucked big time. Tom Brady played an B+/A- game throwing 500+ yards. Questionable offensive and defensive calls on big plays by the Pats coordinators. The calls very much felt like a dawn song for McDaniels and Patricia. The Eagles played a complete game. Congrats, Philly fans.

 

In all likelihood, one way or another, the 2018/2019 Patriots team will be this Patriots’ team’s final ride. If they win the Super Bowl, if they don’t; doesn’t matter. The Patriots as we know them now all skill members taken into account will play one last year together. And this has nothing to do with anybody’s contract status. Enjoy it while we can, New England fans.

 

No shame for the Pats in losing that game. It could have gone either way and they had nothing more to prove.

Words cannot describe how proud I am of Brandon Graham for that strip sack lol. He's been my favorite for a while now.

I truely believe this will also go down as the best Super Bowl all time. It was an epic shoot out, Tecmo Super Bowl style.

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6 hours ago, Yak said:

Tom Brady played an B+/A- game throwing 500+ yards. 

 

If throwing for 500 yards 3 TDs and no interceptions is a A- game,, then I want to know what an A+ game looks like to you. You can't blame him for the sack (he had both hands on the ball when he got hit and it was just a great play by the defender) and he wasn't just dinking and dunking it down the field. Brady was launching **** deep and into small windows. 

 

btw, anyone who claims that Brady choked in this game is either blind, a Patriots hater, doesn't know anything about football, or some combination of the three. 

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1 hour ago, PockyCandy said:

 

If throwing for 500 yards 3 TDs and no interceptions is a A- game,, then I want to know what an A+ game looks like to you. You can't blame him for the sack (he had both hands on the ball when he got hit and it was just a great play by the defender) and he wasn't just dinking and dunking it down the field. Brady was launching **** deep and into small windows. 

 

btw, anyone who claims that Brady choked in this game is either blind, a Patriots hater, doesn't know anything about football, or some combination of the three. 

 

He missed several short to mid range balls that could have changed the game, a seeming result from him getting pushed around some in the pocket. He played a hell of a game, don’t get me wrong. But A+ to me is making those most important throws, which he did not. Not all his fault, but he’s got to take the blame.

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A few final Patriots thoughts as my brain has now had time to process the game.

 

1) Congrats again to the Eagles.  They came in with a solid game plan and executed to near perfection.  Doug Pederson deserves a ton of credit for turning that team around and playing to win.  Happy might be an overstatement, but I'm "happy" for a few players including Chris Long, Blount, Foles and a few others.  It will be interesting to see where they go from here with Wentz/Foles. 

 

7 hours ago, gojiphen malor said:

 

No shame for the Pats in losing that game. It could have gone either way and they had nothing more to prove.

Words cannot describe how proud I am of Brandon Graham for that strip sack lol. He's been my favorite for a while now.

 

2) "No shame for the Pats OFFENSE in losing that game".  That's for certain.  Sure they left some plays out there, but the offense did more than enough to win that game.  I mean, Brady throws for 505 and they never punted.  How do you lose?  The defense was horrendous!  Their D has typically heavily relied on other teams making a mistake - and aside from a fluke INT in the first half, the Eagles made ZERO mistakes.

 

3) Graham totally schooled Shaq Mason on that play which resulted in a strip sack.  As @PockyCandy mentioned, no way is that Brady's fault.  It was a great play.  Also hate calling out Mason because aside from that one play (that one huge, important play), the O-Line was amazing against that Philly DL.

 

7 hours ago, Bolt said:

I can see why you New England-fans love TB12 so much.  That dude is The Man.

 

4) He is... and I am going to cry like a b*tch when he retires.

 

.....

 

5) What in the absolute f*ck was Cooks doing on that play?  He was running around like an overly excited puppy and got walloped.  Solid, clean hit.  Not to mention the play where he tried to hurdle the defender, but just ended up tea-bagging him and falling short of the 1st down.  Great player, but I think the moment seemed a bit too big for him. 

 

6) What is the exact opposite of clutch?  Because that's what Gostkowski is.

 

7) See ya, Patricia.  Have fun in Detroit and good luck to the Lions.  Stafford better be able to put up 35+ a game.

 

8.) Screw Belichick.  Yeah, I said it.  I want a detailed explanation as to why Malcolm Butler did not play last night.  It better have been something inexcusable like physical assaulting someone - and if so, I will eat my words.  But if it's something petty and Bill's ego potentially cost the Pats a Super Bowl, F him.  Interesting that Brandon Browner tweeted about it and it was liked by Donta Hightower and a few other Patriots.  Give me a Brady led team over a Belichick coached team any day of the year.  I've said this for years with 90% certainty... now it's a lock.

 

9) I can't help but feel that even in defeat, Brady added to his legacy.  Sure he dropped a pass, who cares.  505 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.  But I also can't help but wonder if they ended up tying it and winning in OT, what 650 yards, 5 TDs would have felt like.  I think my head would have exploded. 

 

8 hours ago, Yak said:

In all likelihood, one way or another, the 2018/2019 Patriots team will be this Patriots’ team’s final ride. If they win the Super Bowl, if they don’t; doesn’t matter. The Patriots as we know them now all skill members taken into account will play one last year together. And this has nothing to do with anybody’s contract status. Enjoy it while we can, New England fans.

 

10) Sadly I think this is spot on and it has me super depressed.  :-(

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