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So I was wondering, I am holding a noobish tournament with some old friends the night before the Super Bowl. Low $takes, and most haven't played in years. I definitely like the "Madison" style of picking matchups. The thing is, I don't want a couple of the guys researching and changing to money playbooks while some are there just to have some fun (and would be intimidated in a friendly setting). However, I do want to have tiers available for all us noobs to pick fair matchups.


 


The question is, how would factoring in stock playbooks affect tiers in your professional opinion(s)?


 


Here is how I have the tiers currently, let me know where you might shift teams knowing they'd have stock playbooks...


 


Tier 1: SF, Hou, NYG, Buf


Tier 2: Phi, Rai, Chi, KC, Mia


Tier 3: Den, SD, Cin, Rams, Det, Was, Min


Tier 4: Dal, Phx, Pit, NYJ, Atl, TB


Tier 5: NO, Sea, NE, Ind, Cle, GB


 


Thanks in advance for any opinions!


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Interesting. We are all nothing compared to the studs here, but we've all played, and we know the GENERAL strengths of each team. But, no one knows (or can effectively use) advanced techniques like which defenders to use on which diagnosed plays, calculating catch %, or triggering jj int's, etc. I just want to avoid big mismatches between two average dudes in a given matchup.


 


I like the Phx swap with NO. Thanks!


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That is a valid option. However, as lame as it may seem to some current competitive experts, this group is as much about the nostalgia factor as it is competition. So, I like the plug n play aspect of just picking a team and getting after it. It may seem like a minor detail to some, but taking the time to set up playbooks can take a little of that nostalgic flair out of it for some, imo. But, thank you for all of your suggestions. It seems maybe the tiers are good enough as is, with a possible Phx-NO swap.


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also, like bruddog said, you are gonna want to put DET in Tier 2 (at least), probably tier 1.  


 


Might bring BUF down to tier 2, because of that playbook.


 


ALSO, I would make another (lowest) Tier for NE, IND, and SEA only.


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What about this?


 


Tier 1: SF, Hou, NYG, Det, Chi


Tier 2: Phi, Rai, KC, Mia, Cin, Buf


Tier 3: Den, SD, Rams, Was, Min, TB


Tier 4: Dal, Pit, NYJ, Atl


Tier 5: NO, Phx, Cle, GB


Tier 6: Sea, NE, Ind


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I like it, Buck. Especially making the last tier for that special kind of horseshi* that is Sea, Ind, NE. It feels odd putting Det with the top teams, but I guess they have a good playbook, top RB, Scrambley QB, and solid D.


 


Cin is tough for me because I don't care for that playbook. I may want to leave them in tier 3, I'm going to think about that one.


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you know, relatively speaking, that default PIT PB isn't too bad, neither is ATL, TB PB is OK, RAMS OK, CLE OK, BUF is not too bad, MIA OK, PHI OK, 


 


and SEA, IND, NE PBs aren't too bad, relatively.


 


DEN PB sucks..MIN sucks, GB sucks, NO sucks, SD sucks, CIN sucks, DAL sucks....


 


let me try again...


 


Tier 1: SF, Hou, NYG,


Tier 2: Det, Chi, Rai, Phi, Buf


Tier 3: KC, Mia, TB, Was, Rams


Tier 4: Cin, Atl, NYJ, Pit, Den, SD, Min, (these last three could be in their own tier)


Tier 5: Dal, NO, Phx, Cle, GB, Sea, NE, Ind


 


Maybe this is a little bit better?  should make for some interesting games, at least.


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Again, I like it.


 


Interesting it seems you thought the superior PBs of the Little 3 (NE, Sea, Ind) allow them back in with what I would consider clearly more talented teams in tier 5. Also, from a more novice point of view, it seems like I could maybe go a little more parabolic with the talent here. Maybe go big 3 top, little 3 bottom..and bigger tiers in the middle. Tier 3 is large, but I don't have the experience to see the difference in those teams so much.


 


Your tier 3 piques my interest. I'm so used to seeing a KC or a Mia clearly above TB, Was, and Rams. If I were to incorporate that with your suggestions, it would look like the following:


 


Tier 1: SF, Hou, NYG,


Tier 2: Det, Chi, Rai, Phi, Buf, KC, Mia


Tier 3: TB, Was, Rams, Cin, Atl, NYJ, Pit, Den, SD, Min


Tier 4: Dal, NO, Phx, Cle, GB,


Tier:5 Sea, NE, Ind


 


Do you see any gross matchup opportunities using these tiers?


 


Appreciate your suggestions!


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bruddog, no offense but it doesn't seem like you looked at the default playbooks.  check out SD, DAL, DEN, MIN, PHX absolute garbage; CIN will be easy to stop both run and pass.  that should drop all those teams down because their running game will not exist.


 


2livelou, I like this last list you came up with.


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I did look but wasn't sure how much to drop my initial ratings based on those playbooks. Some are marginal if you can tap like a beast and no good defender to blow up a play. But another possibility is then the following if you want to lump more groups together. 


 


 


Tier 1 : SF, HOU, BUF, NYG 


 


Tier 2  RAI, CHI, KC, PHI, DET, RAM, MIA


 


Tier 3  SD, CIN ,MIN, DEN, TB, WAS, DAL, ATL, NYJ


 


Tier 4: PHX, PIT, CLE, NO, GB


 


Tier 5  SEA, NE IND 


 


Pretty close to yours. and a nice bell curve shape. 


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To me, PHI is a tier 1...QB Eagles is just amazing, and you can always pick Eric Allen or Jerome Brown on D...Reggie White...

 

Yeah, and that default playbook works OK for them, too.  I agree that they should be up in Tier 1.

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Curious, the way things could be shaping up, could you guys actually consider Phi a tier 1 stock team, and Buf possibly a tier 2? Maybe I'll put both of them in tier 1. SF always screws things up for me. If I close my left eye and just see Hou, NYG, Buf, Phi- it looks ok. In a general sense, QB Eagles is sooo dangerous, could you see picking them in a SF-Phi matchup?


 


I know this type of conversation doesn't happen here a lot, but I find it interesting nonetheless to see how you guys think of these tiers with stock PBs.


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That SF playbook is pretty lame, on Defense just pick pass all the time and cover Rice, you should get some stops. So yes, I could see PHI/SF being a good game.


 


Now look at that GIA playbook - almost garbage.  That kind of slows them down, too.  Same as BUF PB, but they don't have a "noob-friendly" defense.


 


I don't see any real bad mismatches with bruddog's latest list - except PIT.  I think that PIT defense will tear apart all those teams in it's tier, and probably destroy those teams in the tier above it.  Default PIT PB is usable, I think.  


 


If it's really a noob tourney like you say, then all of this probably won't matter much.  Just so everybody knows the big name players on O and D.  The best noob will probably win with your (2livelou) last posted tier.  

 


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I'm thinking the noobishness would lend to these wide open tiers working for some fun matchups, taking all the comments into account. With y'all who are really good, I can see really drilling down and splitting hiers (see what I did there, wonk wonk), but luck may work in so much here that I think we can go wide open. But, I have to put those last three at the bottom, It seems like the clearest line to draw to my novice eyes. I can just see a Dal, Cle, or GB crushing the bottom three. I think I'll roll with this unless anyone comments on some big time flaws.


 


 


Tier 1: SF, Hou, NYG, Det, Chi, Rai, Phi, Buf, KC, Mia


Tier 2: TB, Was, Rams, Cin, Atl, NYJ, Pit, Den, SD, Min


Tier 3: Dal, NO, Phx, Cle, GB,


Tier 4: Sea, NE, Ind


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