hamburgler2682 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Can anyone here say that they were "scared" when their team played Curtis freakin Martin?No.I sure was scared when my teams played against Barry and Emmitt.Once again, it's not the hall of very good, its the HALL OF FAME.I think teams were scared of Emmit cause he played on the cowboys. put him on the cardinals (even in his prime) and its no big whoop.People were scared of Barry because they had seen the highlight reels, but I don't think they were scared of the Lions. The Lions sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSBGOD Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Curtis Martin> than TIKI Barry>>>>>>twice as good as Emmitt Gale Sayers top 5 of all time hands down Dunn and Tiki shouldn't even be in this post with these guys. Emmitt never scared anyone , didnt have the moves or speed to do so. Barry scared everyone when he touched the ball.Martin= most under rated rb of all timeEmmitt= most over rated rb of all time Marshall Faulk > than Emmitt and Martin At the top of their games there was none better than these rbs: Payton,Sanders,Brown ,Sayers,Faulk, Terrell Davis These are the best rbs in the history of the NFL at their prime. LT will be on this list when he ids done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihoagied Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 martin really isnt that great, get over him. ive watched all the giants and jets games since 97. I'd take barber over martin anyday. Put Martin on the shitty giants 2004 oline and he'd be lucky to get 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihoagied Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 im saying barber is better just as a pure runner, not even factoring in his receiving ability or his excellent blocking skills. I havent seen a lot of other games this season, but barber has contributed a significant role to mannings success. He can take on a defensive end 1 on 1 and stuff him, i've seen a lot of that so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSBGOD Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 You are a Giants fan, so that makes you irrelevant in the comparison. Martin has been steady every year, noone has done what he has done since he started, I believe a 1,000 yards every friggin year, that's amazing, a durable and solid rb period. Tiki is not even in the same breath, get over it, and stop loiving thos eGiants players so much. give me Joe Morris over Tiki,LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO maybe before your time kid,lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slig Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'm gonna say right now that I agree 100% with every single player chosen to be in the NFL Hall-of-fame. Every player in it deserves to be there and every player not in it who deserves to be in it will eventually be selected. If they aren't selected, then they don't deserve to be in it. I don't know about other professional sports, but the NFL hall-of-fame committee is very good and I have 100% confidence in them.keep up the good work boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihoagied Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 actually ive watched a bunch of old giants tapes my dad has. i know all about the giants of the 80's and early 90's. nice try smart ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightninglarry Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 O J Anderson is fo realjust like the Canes R Fo Realhmm coincidence hes an alumn?the late 80s Giants kicked ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamburgler2682 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I'm gonna say right now that I agree 100% with every single player chosen to be in the NFL Hall-of-fame. Every player in it deserves to be there and every player not in it who deserves to be in it will eventually be selected. If they aren't selected, then they don't deserve to be in it. I don't know about other professional sports, but the NFL hall-of-fame committee is very good and I have 100% confidence in them.keep up the good work boys.looks like the hall of fame comittee has gotten to slig too... which one of you could be next? Trust no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdibleAntiPerspirant Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I got a couple of words for you, Slig: Lynn Swann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dawg Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I got a couple of words for you, Slig: Lynn Swann.Good point.Lynn Swann is in the Hall and Art Monk is left out? That might be the greatest HOF committee screw-up ever in any sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slig Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I got a couple of words for you, Slig: Lynn Swann.Oh, you mean the greatest big game performer of all-time? You statistics nerds really need to give it a rest. Yes, I agree that he's mainly in the hall for making 2 catches, but they are two of the most legendary in NFL history and were the reason the Steelers won in arguably the most exciting Super Bowl ever. He was listed as doubtful for that game too...what a warrior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Moon Rison Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 what a warrior.Now you sound like George Steinbrenner.BTW, Tiki Barber is a better back than Curtis Martin, but that doesn't mean Martin is bad, just that he's been consistent and has had longevity. If you asked me today or in their prime who I would rather have, I'd say Tiki Barber. I'd rather have Curtis Martin at his worst than Tiki at his worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamburgler2682 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I got a couple of words for you, Slig: Lynn Swann.Oh, you mean the greatest big game performer of all-time? You statistics nerds really need to give it a rest. Yes, I agree that he's mainly in the hall for making 2 catches, but they are two of the most legendary in NFL history and were the reason the Steelers won in arguably the most exciting Super Bowl ever. He was listed as doubtful for that game too...what a warrior.So.... forget the fact that he didn't perform in 95% of his games and let him in because of two big games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Swann was the cornerstone of 4 Super Bowl teams and returned 61 punts for 739 yards. That's 12.1 yards a return. To put that in perspective, a PR with those numbers would get a SS with 69 MS in any rom that I make.Art Monk has only been eligible for 5 years. They limit it to 3-6 players a year and you have to be retired for 5 years. Monk should be in and will probably make it eventually.Thurmal will not be eligible until the end of this season. Having eight straight 1000 yard seasons I think it is safe to say he will be voted in soon. Everyone, click this link and do a little research before you start typing here, I mean, seriously. http://www.profootballhof.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dawg Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Swann was the cornerstone of 4 Super Bowl teams and returned 61 punts for 739 yards. That's 12.1 yards a return. To put that in perspective, a PR with those numbers would get a SS with 69 MS in any rom that I make.Art Monk has only been eligible for 5 years. They limit it to 3-6 players a year and you have to be retired for 5 years. Monk should be in and will probably make it eventually.Thurmal will not be eligible until the end of this season. Having eight straight 1000 yard seasons I think it is safe to say he will be voted in soon. Everyone, click this link and do a little research before you start typing here, I mean, seriously. http://www.profootballhof.com/Nobody cares about punt return average. How many return specialists are in the Hall? I'll give you a hint, the same amount that deserve to be in there. They don't make enough of a difference, enough of the time. If they did, they would be in.The fact remains that Lynn Swann made two legendary catches. That does not warrant a Hall of Fame selection when you look at what he did besides those two grabs. I can name about 15 other guys who are better canidates for cornerstone of the Steelers dynasty. Congratulations, Lynn, you were on great teams and you made two brilliant catches, welcome to the Hall! Speaking of Pittsburgh HOF selections, this reminds me of Bill Mazeroski being voted into the MLB HOF. What a joke. He hits one home run and he's in. I guess Joe Carter's time will come when he gets to the Veteran's Committee.But I digress... Thurmal isn't eligible. I know this. Everybody knows this. We were just justifying why he should or shouldn't be in the Hall. I agree with you. He should be in.Only 5 years for Art? 2004 and 2005 had only 4 inductees. If my calculations are right, that leaves two potentially open spots each of the last two years. But I'm sure a man who does as much research as yourself already knew that, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcules85 Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 ypc is the most important stat when measuring an rb though.No, it's not. Eddie George has a career avg of like 3.2 yards per carry but he carried the ball 3 yards every down, no stuffs, just consistently 3 yards. I take back anything nice I had to say about Curtis Martin before that monday night game. There is nothing left in the tank, he plays like emmitt the cardinal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slig Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Is Steve Tasker in the hall yet? Cuz he should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looked Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 He's eligible this year, and I think he should go in as well. I don't think there is another player that has done as much to give a position recognition as Steve Tasker, they basically created a position in the pro bowl just because he deserved to go. Plus there hasn't been a player of his caliber since. I have a feeling that he won't get in easily if at all. Just like kickers, I don't think people will vote for him over position players. As for Lynn Swann, he's a perfect example of a player that got in on reputation alone. Stats may not mean everything, but we are talking about a guy that isn't in the 50 in any category, never lead the league in a any category, never had 1000 yard season, only caught 50+ passes twice. To put in perspective how bad his 336 career catches is, Jerry Rice, Herman Moore, Cris Carter, and Marvin Harrison have all gotten more than that in a 3 year span. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Okay, 3 Super Bowls. The first one was all Franco Harris.Swann was the leading receiver in the next 3, though. MVP of the second with 4 for 161, 1 TD. 7 for 124, 1 TD in the third. 5 for 79, 1 TD in the fourth. And don't underestimate the importance of punt returns. It's more important than you think. Field position is key. He made a name for himself in his rookie season as a punt returner because he wasn't the starting WR. It included an 80-something yard return for a TD. About Monk, yeah you're right, he should be in. I was trying to spin it. I honestly don't know what's up with that. But I still think Swann deserves to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 In my best Uncle from Jackie Chan Adventures voice: One more thing... Marcus Allen was the first RB to ever get 10,000 yards rushing and 5000 yards receiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamburgler2682 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Another Lynn Swann type of induction:Cam Neely is getting into the hall.Unlike Swann he never won a championship, but is best known for upping his game in the playoffs.If anybody watches or cares about hockey I think most people would recognize like SOIS always says, its the hall of fame. Not the hall of really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMigs Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 What ever happened to Herman Moore? I think Martin has to get in based on longevity. Also consider that he's played with some pretty shitty QBs (young Drew Bledsoe, old Vinny Testaverde), which has made his job a lot harder. He's had very few years where he's been on teams with great passing offenses, unlike Emmitt Smith, who played with Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin.To write him off based on the struggles he's having this season, when the Jets have no passing game to speak of, and everyone can load 8 in the box all the time, is really unfair. Give Emmitt, in his prime, Brooks Bollinger, and see how his YPC is. Tiki is a great running back right now, but he spent a lot of years fumbling a lot of footballs. He'll need several more years like the last two in order to begin justifying a spot among the all time greats. This comes from a Giants fan who a) loves Tiki now and had to watch him when he was not quite as sturdy (I'm pretty sure the other time, besides the Skins game, that he ran for 200 yards was against the Eagles. In that same game, he fumbled 3 times, including a crucial one late in the game.) On Swann - it's the nature of the beast that guys who play on great teams and get to be in big games will develop huge reps. It's the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of Awesome, and Swann is a legendary player, whether or not he was better than some guys who deserve to be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 well said, cmigs. my opinion of tiki is based on my hope that he's just come into his prime (ok so he's a late bloomer) and will help this giants team into a new era with eli. i'm projecting to the future. i think curtis has passed his prime and will not have another great season. right now he has had a better career than tiki, but i think that will change in as little as two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chymiy Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 curtis has passed his primeUmm.... Didn't he lead the league in rushing just last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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