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heres a little preview on my first unbiased rating system and what it came up with for my "those were the seasons" rom. i still have issues with passing speed and some other real small ones (ball control will be based on team strengths/weakness. ohh and the first number below is their jersey number...


Erik Kramer 12 13 13 6 25 63 81 69 25

James Harbaugh 4 31 38 31 38 56 88 75 75

Walter Payton 34 44 56 63 25 6 44

Gale Sayers 40 31 44 69 13 6 31

Bronko Nagurski 0 56 69 38 94 6 13

Rick Casares 35 50 56 50 69 6 31

Harlon Hill 87 50 56 75 13 6 38

Ken Kavanaugh 51 63 63 88 19 6 38

Jonny Morris 47 6 19 6 6 6 50

Curtis Conway 80 31 31 44 13 6 25

Mike Ditka 89 69 63 56 75 6 50

Emery Moorehead 87 38 31 25 38 6 44


Milt Plum 19 13 6 38 56 94 69 25

Otto Graham 42 25 44 13 31 44 81 81 75

James Brown 32 63 75 69 69 6 50

Leroy Kelly 44 38 56 63 25 6 44

Robert Mitchell 49 19 44 63 6 6 63

Marion Motley 36 56 63 44 81 6 38

Gary Collins 0 25 31 38 19 6 31

Paul Warfield 42 50 56 75 6 6 44

Michael Jackson 0 31 31 44 13 6 19

Reggie Rucker 0 38 31 56 13 6 6

Ozzie Newsome 82 44 38 6 63 6 63

Milt Morin 0 63 56 38 75 6 31


Brett Favre 4 38 50 25 63 63 81 75 63

Bryan Starr 15 25 44 38 25 50 94 75 75

Jim Taylor 31 50 63 56 50 6 31

Ahman Green 30 38 50 63 19 6 63

Paul Hornug 5 44 56 31 56 6 50

Eddie Ivery 40 31 50 50 25 6 38

Billy Howton 0 44 56 63 6 6 50

Don Hutson 14 13 38 19 6 6 75

Sterling Sharpe 84 19 38 31 19 6 63

James Lofton 83 50 50 69 6 6 25

Mark Chmura 89 69 63 25 88 6 44

Ronald Kramer 88 63 56 38 75 6 31


Barry Sanders 20 31 50 81 6 6 50


Ken Stabler 12 19 6 6 44 63 31 88 44

Richard Gannon 42 25 31 19 31 69 88 81 69

Vincent Jackson 34 44 63 69 50 6 56

Zack Crockett 32 56 81 13 94 6 6

Clemon Daniels 36 50 50 44 50 6 69

Marcus Allen 32 44 44 50 19 6 75

Timothy Brown 81 31 44 44 13 6 56

Arthur Powell 84 31 44 44 19 6 56

Waren Wells 81 69 69 94 6 6 38

Fred Biletnikoff 25 38 31 56 6 6 6

Todd Christensen 46 50 50 25 63 6 88

David Casper 87 63 63 31 81 6 63

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i have not made my mind up yet about real first names or nick names yet


kingsoby, you confused me a little. im a mathamatition not an englishamatition. yes there is a way to rate an all-star team rom, it will just be far from perfect and will not have much of a connetion between the roster and the defensive squad and o-line.... :?
warren wells is warren wells and i cant give away the secrets to my amature, faulty, and soon to be criticized rating system! :?
i dont know if ill change the system to the outcome has barry at a 81 or a 75, im thinking of keepin it were he's an 81 it is an all star rom, and about warren wells max speed- yeah that will be fixed! ill have to put a max out at like 88 for WR's my reasoning is to make them good enough to do wr- reverses? is that stupid? now i'm thinking of slowing them down but not shure yet
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this rom will not only be the greatest players for each team, it will be the best season of those players. the one thing i am very disapointed in is that WALTER PAYTON did not have a real extravagant stand out season. and even thought the plan was to keep my ratings unbiased im tempted to tweak his stats... but maybe ill find a better way

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Is there already a rom with each team's best year...because that would be pretty cool. I'm talking

85 bears

98 Vikings

89 49ers

86 Giants

60 Browns

67 Packers

95 Lions

01 Bucs

94 Cowboys

04 Eagles

99 Rams

68 Jets

04 Patriots

98 Falcons

83 Raiders

72 Dolphins

90 Bills

99 Titans

87 Redskins

80 Bengals

76 Steelers

98 Cardinals

69 Chiefs

97 Broncos

94 Chargers

70 Colts

Seahawks?

Saints?

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see, these ideas are all well and good, and you guys might be interested by the prospect...

however, you really can't put together an alltime greats rom unless you make it balanced teams, as there is no way to compare teams through the seasons (ie 76 steelers vs 2005 patriots... who's better and how do you compare?).

and having wacky MS values will make the rom really bad 75rp... unless you have wacky MS values on defense too.

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You can only loosely compare by looking at standard devations from the mean of that season. It tells you how much better than the average team in X statistic team was in a given season.

Obviously manning's passer rating this season meant less than in seasons past when the average passer rating was nearly 90 this last season

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You can only loosely compare by looking at standard devations from the mean of that season. It tells you how much better than the average team in X statistic team was in a given season.

Obviously manning's passer rating this season meant less than in seasons past when the average passer rating was nearly 90 this last season

This is a good point, but something would have to be done about comparing salary cap teams vs. pre-salary cap teams. You take a team that played before there was a cap and the difference between their stats and the average team during that season is going to be greater than that of the more balanced teams of the current NFL. When only a handful of teams have most of the good players, it skews the overall league stats.

Comparing teams vs. the level of their opponents in a given year does compensate for rules changes throughout history, though.

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see, these ideas are all well and good, and you guys might be interested by the prospect...

however, you really can't put together an alltime greats rom unless you make it balanced teams, as there is no way to compare teams through the seasons (ie 76 steelers vs 2005 patriots... who's better and how do you compare?).

Haven't you seen those all time greats games on ESPN? The 60s Packers vs. the 80s 49ers? It can be done.

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keep in mind that none of these ratings are affected by my personal preference and are strictly by stats. (walter paytons will be altered however)

ball control has not yet been rated and WR receptions will be centered a little more soon.


IF ANYONE HAS A GOOD IDEA ON HOW TO RATE PASSING SPEED BY STATS PLEASE LET ME KNOW i could use some advise there, and im trying to avoid bias opinions of players.

TSB best year of the greats Green Bay Packers

PLAYER # RS RP MS HP C1 C2 C3 C4 RS

QB Brett Favre---------- 38 50 25 63 63 81 75 63 40.3

QB Bryan Starr--------- 25 44 38 25 50 94 75 75 23.1

RB Jim Taylor ---------- 56 69 56 56 6 19 55.6

RB Ahman Green------- 38 56 63 25 6 56 40.4

RB Paul Hornug--------- 50 56 31 63 6 44 49.1

RB Eddie Ivery--------- 31 50 56 31 6 31 32.9

WR Billy Howton--------- 44 50 63 6 6 50 43.1

WR Don Hutson--------- 13 38 19 6 6 75 15.0

WR Sterling Sharpe----- 25 38 31 19 6 63 23.5

WR James Lofton------- 50 50 69 6 6 25 47.4

TE Mark Chmura------- 38 56 25 88 6 44 38.5

TE Ronald Kramer----- 38 50 31 75 6 31 39.1

C Jim Ringo------------ 44 63 44 69 46.61

LG Gale Gillingham----- 38 50 38 56 37.81

RG Marco Rivera-------- 38 50 31 56 36.05

LT Forrest Gregg------- 44 63 19 69 44.85

RT Bob Skoronski------ 31 44 13 44 30.77


TSB best year of the greats Cleveland Browns

PLAYER # RS RP MS HP C1 C2 C3 C4 RS

QB Milt Plum------------ 19 13 6 38 56 94 69 25 16.8

QB Otto Graham-------- 25 44 13 31 44 81 81 75 22.5

RB James Brown-------- 69 75 63 81 6 50 68.7

RB Leroy Kelly---------- 38 63 63 31 6 19 38.1

RB Robert Mitchell------ 25 44 63 13 6 56 24.9

RB Marion Motley------- 63 63 38 88 6 31 62.5

WR Gary Collins--------- 25 31 31 19 6 31 22.0

WR Paul Warfield-------- 44 50 69 6 6 44 46.7

WR Michael Jackson----- 25 25 38 13 6 19 26.8

WR Reggie Rucker------ 31 25 44 13 6 6 31.4

TE Ozzie Newsome----- 31 38 6 63 6 63 32.9

TE Milt Morin------------ 44 56 38 75 6 31 42.0

C Tom DeLeone------- 31 44 31 50 32.84

LG Dick Schafrath------ 38 56 38 56 39.88

RG Gene Hickerson----- 38 56 38 56 39.88

LT Lou Groza----------- 44 63 19 69 45.16

RT Mike McCormack--- 38 56 13 63 39.88


TSB best year of the greats Minesota Vikings

PLAYER # RS RP MS HP C1 C2 C3 C4 RS

QB Daunte Culpepper-- 56 50 25 88 63 38 94 81 55.1

QB Fran Tarkenton----- 19 56 63 13 63 75 75 75 20.2

RB Robert Smith------- 38 44 50 25 6 38 35.1

RB Michael Bennett----- 31 38 44 19 6 31 31.0

RB Terry Allen ---------- 31 44 44 25 6 44 34.0

RB Bill Brown----------- 56 56 25 75 6 38 53.6

WR Randy Moss--------- 50 56 75 25 6 50 51.0

WR Cris Carter---------- 25 50 38 13 6 88 24.6

WR Jake Reed----------- 25 25 38 25 6 19 27.0

WR John Gilliam---------- 38 38 50 19 6 19 36.4

TE Steve Jordan-------- 38 31 25 13 6 38 37.7

TE Joseph Senser------- 44 44 13 63 6 69 44.1

C Henry Tingelhoff---- 44 63 44 69 46.57

LG Edward White ------- 44 56 44 63 43.05

RG Randall McDaniel--- 56 75 56 88 57.13

LT Ron Yary------------ 50 63 19 75 48.33

RT Grady Alderman---- 44 63 19 75 46.57


TSB best year of the greats Detroit Lions

PLAYER # RS RP MS HP C1 C2 C3 C4 RS

QB Scott Mitchell-------- 38 44 6 63 56 81 63 94 36.7

QB Bobby Layne-------- 25 38 19 31 56 56 50 81 26.4

RB Barry Sanders------ 31 50 81 6 6 44 33.2

RB Billy Sims----------- 50 56 44 44 6 44 51.1

RB Nick Pietrosante---- 56 63 44 75 6 13 56.8

RB Doak Walker-------- 6 38 63 6 6 81 7.4

WR Herman Moore------ 25 44 38 19 6 75 25.2

WR Cloyce Box---------- 44 50 63 25 6 50 43.9

WR Gail Cogdill---------- 31 31 44 13 6 25 29.3

WR Terry Barr----------- 19 31 25 6 6 38 19.4

TE Charlie Sanders----- 38 50 31 69 6 25 34.7

TE Jim Gibbons--------- 44 44 25 56 6 50 42.0

C Ed Flanagan--------- 31 50 31 50 34.49

LG Harley Sewell------- 31 50 31 50 34.49

RG John Gordy---------- 31 44 31 50 32.73

LT Lomas Brown------- 38 56 13 63 39.77

RT Lou Creekmur------ 44 56 19 63 41.53


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The Vikings roster is flawed. First of all, Fran Tarkenton should be starting over Daunte Culpepper. Fran took the team to 3 superbowls and is a hall-of-famer. Also, where are Chuck Foreman and Ahmad Rashad? You need to remove Michael Bennett and Jake Reed and put those two guys on there.

I just noticed something else on your all-time Bears team. Where the fuck is Jim McMahon? There is no fucking way Erik Kramer and Jim Harbaugh should be ahead of him.

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ok guys thatnks for the help i really appreciate it! i thought i covered my steps well but i must have overlooked a lot of things.


i did have sid luckman in there, forgot why i changed it...
sorry about the "starter" confusion, i havent placed starters yet so sometimes their not in the right order, but on the vikes daunte might have been the starter, ill look it over and make the best i can out of it.
i just finished the defensive formulas and must have make a bunch of circular references cause it all got froze, formulas stopped formulatin! and i had to start the defense over again. this is really a waiste of time but i want to see it finished bad.
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1. fran tark info cells moved up to avoid starter confusion(was and will be the starter in the game)


2. chuck foreman is 1st vikings running back then brown then smith then mason. wow big mistake! about the vikings (maybe other teams as well) offensive roster, i started doing this by picking players from the stats that looked impressive rather than who was more dedicated to the team, had more pro-bowls, and was all around closer to being a team legend. i forgot to go back and change this on the teams i had already done. this will be changed, im glad someone caught that.
3. luckmans the starting qb and although he had -40 rushing yards in his best season he also cought 4 interceptions(yeah u heard right!) for 80 some yards, i think ill just stick them onto his rushing stats so he dont suck so bad. mcmahon had a crazy season can he really run like that(40 carries in 9games for 7.1 yards per run?)it wasnt an easy decision but i put him as number 2
john brockington is now in but was close and very arguable
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If I were you I'd make the vikings have a 2 back set with Robert Smith and Chuck Foreman. Robert Smith is the best back in Vikings history. Just look at his stats in 1998-2000.....unreal. Chuck Foreman was a great player too and should be in the position to catch more passes out of the backfield....but he wasn't as good as Robert Smith. Brown and Mason should be the two backups though.

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