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Let's discuss attributes!

Ever felt like a certain player got shafted, or was overrated? Make your case, suggest a solution, and let the debate begin. This is NOT supposed to be a thread about missing players, nor is it supposed to be about missing features...but to make things more interesting, let's assume that the PC/PA-hack for QBs, where PC is completions and PA is accuracy, and some kind of grappling hack were implemented. Take into account the game as a whole, motivate your suggestions with 1990 season stats, etc.

For example:

Player(s): Mark Rypien
Why? I never felt like the in-game 'Skins were the passing threat they deserved to be.

Suggested solution: 38PS, 63PC, 31PA.
Regarded as one of the best deep passers ever, coupled with the "couldn't keep a ten yard game of catch going during warmups, but from fifty yards he could play catch with a guy who was sitting down"-joke... I've lowered his accuracy two notches while I've raised his pass controll three. He will be off target sometimes, but now you can play-fake behind the Hogs and throw the deep ball to The Posse with confidence, even when covered.

Next player(s): The Seahawks' 25MS RBs. Fenner (tied for most rushing TDs and a great short yardage runner) and Williams (Pro Bowl fullback). Shouldn't be the arguably worst backfield in the game, right?

Suggest a solution with motivation! Then nominate the next case up for debate (when some sort of agreement is reached, of course).

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Great discussion topic!


 


I agree that Rypien should be a little better rated, but not 63pc (especially since PA does nothing in the game). It was his WRs that made him good in real life, and I think that is accurately reflected in the game. Maybe he deserves 50pc.


 


The Seahawks' RBs did get screwed a bit (so did Cleveland's IMO). How about Hershel Walker? MIN gave the farm for him and only has 44ms and worthless 63hp. I can deal with the MS, but he ran over people. If Okoye has 94hp, Walker should a least have 81 (if not 88 or 94) so that he could popcorn guys every once and a while.


 


Also Cris Carter was robbed. A 31ms/50rec backup? Please.


 


Last MIN plug. Scott Studwell is one of the worst rated LBs in the game, yet he is the Vikings all-time leading tackler. He was the heart of that great D. I'm not saying he should be a star, but at least make his HP respectable, because the guy could tackle.


 


A few QBs that were screwed (mostly because PA was not programmed to do anything) = Elway (big time screwed), Harbaugh, and Brister


 


You could also argue that Dallas is underated at a few spots, but they didn't really break out until the following year.


 


A few guys are over-rated IMO. Namely Bob Nelson (due to a programming error). He only played 3 pedestrian seasons and then was out of the NFL. Wayne Haddix also only had one good year, and then he was crap. Yet he's one of the best defenders in the game. 


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remember that these attributes were somewhat based off of 1990 season.


 


contrary to the usual "hack", I strongly believe that PC is supposed to be "INT/Completion" and PA was supposed to be "on target".  So, PC is still most important of the two.


 


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agree with Barry Word, he should have had the MS.


 


but I do not agree on Meggett.  he was an explosive bad ass (like a darren sproles) on the super bowl winning team the season before the game was made.


 


and yeah, SEAttle RBs got screwed a little.


 


I do not agree with any of the MIN comments, they were programmed perfectly for a 6-10 team.


 


I also do not agree that Elway got screwed, he got what he deserved and so did the 5-11 Broncos.


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I disagree on pass accuracy. I cant type all the examples from my phone.

Otherwise I will be a homer and say the Saints defense should be a lot better, though they end up sucking because the secondary didnt get many interceptions. Mostly that was because the offense turned it over too much and the opposition could play it safe.

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I strongly believe that PC is supposed to be "INT/Completion" and PA was supposed to be "on target".

 

I agree. That's the hack I use.

 

31PA is bad though, and with 63PC Rypien still relies a lot on his receivers (and their ability to get to the off-target bombs), especially when late season coverage kicks in. Just try dumping it off to Byner or Warren.

 

Player: David Meggett

Why? This one is interesting since I think Meggett is rated fairly accurate.

 

Suggested solution:

Carthon 44RS, 25MS, 88HP

Hampton 56RS, 38MS, 38HP and 44REC

Meggett 38BC

 

Remember, some kind of grappling-hack implemented. I would make Carthon a Mueller-like FB and have him block for Anderson to give the Giants that smashmouth running game. Then give Hampton a slight boost, some sort of Anderson-light with good hands instead of hitting power. Meggett is fine, I would give him a 38BC to reflect his fumbling problem, and with some kind of grappling-hack implemented he's unfit to be the featured back in a smashmouth offense with his 19HP, just as in real life.

 

 

Edit: Ok, Barry Word then. What kind of attributes?

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Walker shoulda' DEFINITLEY been faster.............Solution:  His 'average condition' stats should've been where his 'good condition' stats were.....that would have been more fair to the Viks, because the quarterbacks are garbage.....and are the reason I usually don't use Minnesota in Tourney's.


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I do not agree with any of the MIN comments, they were programmed perfectly for a 6-10 team.

 

I also do not agree that Elway got screwed, he got what he deserved and so did the 5-11 Broncos.

 

 

Well if you're going to base player rankings solely on the teams record, than the Colts should have A LOT better players than they do in the game (7-9 record)

 

The Vikes had a bad record because of QB play and poor usage of Walker (Jerry Burns loved running sweeps instead of up the gut or off tackle).

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The Seahawks' RBs did get screwed a bit (so did Cleveland's IMO). How about Hershel Walker? MIN gave the farm for him and only has 44ms and worthless 63hp. I can deal with the MS, but he ran over people. If Okoye has 94hp, Walker should a least have 81 (if not 88 or 94) so that he could popcorn guys every once and a while.

 

 

 

PREACH!!!

 

Anyway, Billy Joe Tolliver shouldn't have 81 PS. 

And the Raiders are so fast that they can't be beaten.

 

PS: Why wasn't Eric Dickerson in the game as RB Colts or something like that? I would actually play as the Indy if he was on the team.

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PS: Why wasn't Eric Dickerson in the game as RB Colts or something like that? I would actually play as the Indy if he was on the team.

 

He wasn't part of the NFLPA and had actually sued Tecmo over using his likeness in Tecmo Bowl.

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And the Raiders are so fast that they can't be beaten.

 

Allen and Jackson got shafted (!), IMO. Both of them are considered to be among the great power backs, but their attributes don't reflect this. Give them 44RS (like all other power backs/fullbacks) and at least 38HP.

 

The thing is, they were just that great. Opposition defenses had to zero in on them all the time. That's what let Schroeder and the Raiders passing offense to be ranked so high during the 1990 season. No. 1 pass offense according to Football Outsiders. You're supposed to have to call run over and over again.

 

And then...

 

Player: Barry Word

Why? Got seriously shafted. 1000-yard season, with more downfield speed that Okoye. But still a back-up! Okoye was the starter, and Jones was doing the blocking. Word got carries when Okoyes knee needed to rest.

 

When I set attributes on my ROMs I always make the starters better then the back-ups, d'uh! So...keeping Word in the bench behind both Okoye and Jones, while trying to emulate their 1990 counterparts is no east task.

 

Suggested solution:

Jones 44RS, 56HP

Word 44RS, 56MS, 63HP

 

I would givet both of them 44RS, the "this is a power back/fullback"-value. Then boost Jones' HP so he would be a viable blocker. I would give Word 56MS, more speed than Okoye, but lower his HP.

 

Jones was tied with Paige for the most receiving TDs that year, and his 38REC is quite a big deal considering both Okoye and Word got 19REC hands. I would have him as a blocker, and give Okoye three run plays. Okoyes supperior RS and HP keep him ahead of Word. But! If Word get one condition notch over Okoye, I would sub his (then two notch better) MS in instead.

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Lots of good stuff here. Couldn't agree more on the Seattle RBs, Barry Word, and Herschel Walker. For RBs I always felt Butts should have gotten Okoye's attributes. I think he was 2nd in the NFL in rushing in 1990. Merrill Hoge got screwed. He either should have gotten 44 MS or a decent HP. Everyone is always curious about Dickerson's absence. In reality he was over the hill by 1990 and wouldn't have been any more than a 44 MS. Bentley actually had a better all around year. The real weird one to me is Michael Dean Perry. Dude had a 2nd straight All-Pro season in '90. He had 11.5 sacks and over 100 tackles as a freakin' DT. He truly should be one of the top 10 defensive players - 50 RP 63 MS 69 HP. Put him in one of the ILB spots in the Cleveland 4-3 and suddenly they're not a dreadful team. Why is Cleveland the only team with nickel personel anyway? Same can be said for the Colts. Jeff Herrod and or Mike Prior could have some better attributes and make that team maybe tolerable.

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Are you kidding me????????????  Dickerson over the hill in 90'??????????  The only reason Dickerson's stats were suffering is because his line SUCCT!!!  And when he made it public, (which he probably shouldn't have done in retrospect) they quit blocking for him.  The ONLY reason Albert Bentley had better looking stats that year is because they weren't playing Eric as much...but he still produced when they did.  That's why he said f*ck the Colts and went to the Raiders and produced when he got the opportunities.....fair weather fans say a lot of things when they don't know the whole story just to sound like they do....................don't be one.


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Yeah, I don't agree with the "over the hill by 1990"- thing either. If I, after the 1990 season, would have been responsible for setting the attributes for a TSB Dickerson I would've given him a 63MS expecting him to return to delivering 1000-yard seasons.


 


By 1991, however...


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Yes, OVER THE HILL, TK.  Let me recommend a website for ya - NFL.com.  Here you can find stats for NFL players. Check it out - 1990 was the beginning of the end for Mr. Dickerson - a whopping 677 yards rushing.  Simply epic.  Even if he had been healthy for the whole season, that's not even a 1000 yard clip.  I'd maybe grant him a 50 MS with an injury hack.  He really did produce in his one year with Raiders - 729 yards and a game-changing 2 TD's over a full 16 games.  By that logic, you must be thrilled about the seasons that Darren McFadden and Trent Richardson are having right now.  By 1990, his years of dominance were done, thus over the hill.  Tailback King, were you by chance involved with the personel decisions of the early 2000's Redskins or the recent Raiders teams?  Keep your eyes on the road in front of ya and off the rear-view mirror, man.


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Has anyone made a rom with Eric Dickerson on the Colts (replacing Ken Clark or one of their other Non-Bentley stiffs at RB)?

 

I'm working on a 1990 season ROM, with 63MS Dickerson in it. Finally settled with the sim stats, I think. Done some minor gameplay, playbook and graphic editing. Into revamping rosters and attributes now, hence this thread, sort of.

 

It's not ready yet, but - as far as I'm conserned - it's playable, even in MAN v. COM mode.

tsb90.nes

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