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1 hour ago, Maynard_G_Krebs said:

 

Fun! Very clear. Good enunciation. The tone is thrown off for me a bit because of her general vocal range, but I think the thing that bothers me about this version is her nasality. She's singing out of her nose. Visualize the air coming out of her, and you can hear how it's rolling from the back of her throat, and splitting between her nasal passages and the arc of her mouth.

 

Good singer, though! 

 

She's Korean, so the nasality is unavoidable since she's singing with that accent. Korean requires some sounds that English doesn't have (ㅡ, ㅋ, ㅌ, ㅍ, and ㅊ), and when a native korean speaker speaks (or in this case, sings) english, you still hear some of those sounds. 

 

I'm glad you liked it though :) 

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2 hours ago, PockyCandy said:

 

She's Korean, so the nasality is unavoidable since she's singing with that accent. Korean requires some sounds that English doesn't have (ㅡ, ㅋ, ㅌ, ㅍ, and ㅊ), and when a native korean speaker speaks (or in this case, sings) english, you still hear some of those sounds. 

 

I'm glad you liked it though :) 

 

Yeah, I was going to add all of that to my last post, but I couldn't determine how racist it was to make that similar statement. ;)

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10 minutes ago, Maynard_G_Krebs said:

 

Yeah, I was going to add all of that to my last post, but I couldn't determine how racist it was to make that similar statement. ;)

 

I don't think that it would be a racist statement, but that's just me. But I'm korean, so I could probably say that even if it is racist. You know what, let's stop talking about that now. I don't want to start another huge argument/political rant. 

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Person A: "You sound like you might have a Korean accent"...

Person B: "oh my god, you racist pig. How dare you suggest that I might be Korean....anyways, yes I am Korean."

 

While it is not profitable to be rude or crude, political correctness is a prison.

 

but the Michael Jackson kid didn't even get some of the words right. "People always told me, be careful what TO do"? Lol

 

 

 

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pocky, of all people who should be concerned with why there are people in your country who want to silence certain people and force them out of business and destroy their 1st amendment protection of religious liberty or whatever thought liberty they might have, I would think it'd be you.

 

the essence of what I am asking here: 

give me "logic" on why one reason over another is any more or less valid for refusing to use creative or expression service to another citizen? 

why are some people more important that others that they can force others to perform creative service or express ideas for them - who decides who is important?

furthermore, why is OK to rape another person's conscience for the simple sake of forcing commerce?

 

in this thread, there are some people who represent a type of people in this country - those that seem to oppose the 1st amendment (and probably other god-given rights). 

at this point in time, I feel like these ideas (forcing people to work/create/express) are a threat to our country and our freedoms.  it will only get worse if we ignore this stuff.  it has to be dealt with.  it begins with people talking.  expressing their ideas and thoughts and observations.  

 

I am asking questions so that I can possibly understand where these people are coming from (seriously, maybe I am wrong and the 1st amendment needs to be abolished - convince me) and I am sticking my neck out (not in ignorance) to try to persuade them to support true personal liberty.

 

all I have got in return so far, is insult.  no big deal, though.  it's just a internet thread.  I am not mad, I am happily living life, coaching a 6th grade basketball team, working my job, loving my family, working on my house, writing music on guitar, eating food, watching the world series.  I like everybody here and have no hard feelings.  I am here for football and tecmo talk, but sometimes other stuff comes up.  I am not ashamed to discuss adult issues and I am open to listen. 

 

 

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found an old bookmark, this is sweet:

 

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/i-am-very-real.html

 

 

Quote

November 16, 1973

Dear Mr. McCarthy:

I am writing to you in your capacity as chairman of the Drake School Board. I am among those American writers whose books have been destroyed in the now famous furnace of your school.

Certain members of your community have suggested that my work is evil. This is extraordinarily insulting to me. The news from Drake indicates to me that books and writers are very unreal to you people. I am writing this letter to let you know how real I am.

I want you to know, too, that my publisher and I have done absolutely nothing to exploit the disgusting news from Drake. We are not clapping each other on the back, crowing about all the books we will sell because of the news. We have declined to go on television, have written no fiery letters to editorial pages, have granted no lengthy interviews. We are angered and sickened and saddened. And no copies of this letter have been sent to anybody else. You now hold the only copy in your hands. It is a strictly private letter from me to the people of Drake, who have done so much to damage my reputation in the eyes of their children and then in the eyes of the world. Do you have the courage and ordinary decency to show this letter to the people, or will it, too, be consigned to the fires of your furnace?

I gather from what I read in the papers and hear on television that you imagine me, and some other writers, too, as being sort of ratlike people who enjoy making money from poisoning the minds of young people. I am in fact a large, strong person, fifty-one years old, who did a lot of farm work as a boy, who is good with tools. I have raised six children, three my own and three adopted. They have all turned out well. Two of them are farmers. I am a combat infantry veteran from World War II, and hold a Purple Heart. I have earned whatever I own by hard work. I have never been arrested or sued for anything. I am so much trusted with young people and by young people that I have served on the faculties of the University of Iowa, Harvard, and the City College of New York. Every year I receive at least a dozen invitations to be commencement speaker at colleges and high schools. My books are probably more widely used in schools than those of any other living American fiction writer.

If you were to bother to read my books, to behave as educated persons would, you would learn that they are not sexy, and do not argue in favor of wildness of any kind. They beg that people be kinder and more responsible than they often are. It is true that some of the characters speak coarsely. That is because people speak coarsely in real life. Especially soldiers and hardworking men speak coarsely, and even our most sheltered children know that. And we all know, too, that those words really don’t damage children much. They didn’t damage us when we were young. It was evil deeds and lying that hurt us.

After I have said all this, I am sure you are still ready to respond, in effect, “Yes, yes–but it still remains our right and our responsibility to decide what books our children are going to be made to read in our community.” This is surely so. But it is also true that if you exercise that right and fulfill that responsibility in an ignorant, harsh, un-American manner, then people are entitled to call you bad citizens and fools. Even your own children are entitled to call you that.

I read in the newspaper that your community is mystified by the outcry from all over the country about what you have done. Well, you have discovered that Drake is a part of American civilization, and your fellow Americans can’t stand it that you have behaved in such an uncivilized way. Perhaps you will learn from this that books are sacred to free men for very good reasons, and that wars have been fought against nations which hate books and burn them. If you are an American, you must allow all ideas to circulate freely in your community, not merely your own.

If you and your board are now determined to show that you in fact have wisdom and maturity when you exercise your powers over the eduction of your young, then you should acknowledge that it was a rotten lesson you taught young people in a free society when you denounced and then burned books–books you hadn’t even read. You should also resolve to expose your children to all sorts of opinions and information, in order that they will be better equipped to make decisions and to survive.

Again: you have insulted me, and I am a good citizen, and I am very real.

Kurt Vonnegut

 

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It's a public forum and most of us are probably within 10 years agree of each other. I love it because I learn a lot sometimes about where people are coming from. I wish more would participate and not just lurk but I know most of us were raised to "not discuss religion and politics." Unfortunately, this current political climate doesn't really allow time for complacency. Too much is at stake with the constantly growing of extreme and opposite ideologies. Both have their merit, both have their flaws. But I understand why many stay silent. Especially conservatives, people lose their jobs for being conservative. 

 

This brings an interesting thought to mind about the ideas behind discrimination based on race, profession, and idealogies. I think fundamentally, the left claims to believe you can only be discriminated against based on who you're born, and not the decisions you make. Not to mention, they also believe this predetermines your life shape. The right however, claims to believe more on personal individual responsibility and accountability. Which is why I think Knobbe and Buck are at an impass on what is considered discriminatory vs trampling on individual rights.

 

That's why (to me) these smaller conversations (ie gay marriage) are so fascinating. Again, the left will say your born that way, cool. And the right will say, well it's still a life decision, also cool. So it boils down to the interpretation of each individual. Since that baseline cannot be agreed upon no resolve can ever be achieved. 

 

Does that ramble make sense?

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1. does the state have the power to force people to express or not express ideas, especially in the area of commerce? ANY ideas concepts, any.

2. Is a person who runs a business a virtual slave to any potential customer (the state)?

3. Is Christianity the only in-valid reason to refuse to create? Or is it just any mainstream concept called "religion"? What about secular atheist religion? Can you force a Muslim tshirt maker to create a FUCK MUHAMMAD IN THE GOAT ASS tshirt?

4. Can a person force another person to say what they do not want to say? 1st and 5th amendments.

5. can you force a legal prostitute to have sex with you? Can they decline for any reason except a so- called "religious" reason?

 

Is it not easy to see that the whole issue revolves around FORCING people to do things? Is this the america you really want? Totalitarian?  

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Buck, your points are precisely why I believe free market (capitalism) is the most fair economic system. If you refuse work or turn-off your customers you'll either adapt or suffer the consequences (NFL). While many may disagree with you, you're right, that eventually trying to over regulate a free market will send us down a path we don't want to go. You either have the right to legally run your business the way you choose, or you don't. Personally, I think it's poor form to refuse honest business. But your points stick. There's too much variable to cover every scenario under the sun. Not to mention the insincere instances that people work up for views/hits/attention/martyrdom.

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35 minutes ago, OL' Dirty Tecmo said:

Buck, your points are precisely why I believe free market (capitalism) is the most fair economic system. If you refuse work or turn-off your customers you'll either adapt or suffer the consequences (NFL). While many may disagree with you, you're right, that eventually trying to over regulate a free market will send us down a path we don't want to go. You either have the right to legally run your business the way you choose, or you don't. Personally, I think it's poor form to refuse honest business. But your points stick. There's too much variable to cover every scenario under the sun. Not to mention the insincere instances that people work up for views/hits/attention/martyrdom.

 

Yes. I am not defending any particular reason to refuse business.  I have tried to make that clear.  It just happens to be Christianity is in the spotlight right now. But who says it will stop there? Even if you hate Christianity, you should be concerned for where this mentality will lead.

 

This shit is going to the Supreme Court. and this is basically why I voted for trump. He selected a conservative constitutionalist judge, vs some totalitarian anti-American divider judge that Hillary would have probably selected.

 

good points about free market, I totally ageee that in the end, if you don't serve enough customers, you are only gonna make it so long. But that should be the owners decision - to limit or expand their business as they please.

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1 hour ago, OL' Dirty Tecmo said:

It's a public forum and most of us are probably within 10 years agree of each other. I love it because I learn a lot sometimes about where people are coming from. I wish more would participate and not just lurk but I know most of us were raised to "not discuss religion and politics

 

 

 

Most of the time I don't like to discuss beyond just understanding what someone's viewpoint is on a topic because very rarely do people change their minds after a certain point in life. So I don't find it to be a productive use of my time most of the time. And time is more and more precious the older one gets.

 

I listened to my parents (liberal) and my aunt and uncle have "discussions" about politics and its the same arguments over and over with nothing really getting anywhere. 

 

 

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Buck, I enjoy talking about politics as much as the next guy (I'm trying to get into the media because I figure that I can help affect the world that way), but sometimes I want to talk about something else with you guys. I don't want everything that we talk about to somehow turn into a political discussion because of some word I say or some random joke I make. 

 

So seriously, have any of you gentlemen watched the NBA this season?

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1 minute ago, PockyCandy said:

Buck, I enjoy talking about politics as much as the next guy (I'm trying to get into the media because I figure that I can help affect the world that way), but sometimes I want to talk about something else with you guys. I don't want everything that we talk about to somehow turn into a political discussion because of some word I say or some random joke I make. 

 

So seriously, have any of you gentlemen watched the NBA this season?

I'm just a casual playoff watcher. Since the kiddos sports have taken a huge back seat. Any dark horses out there this season?

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55 minutes ago, OL' Dirty Tecmo said:

I'm just a casual playoff watcher. Since the kiddos sports have taken a huge back seat. Any dark horses out there this season?

 

The Orlando Magic are 5-1 (somehow), and it looks like anyone could come out of the East right now. The Cavs are old and injury-prone, and LeBron is getting to the age where he can't just carry a team by himself to the finals. In the West, keep your eye on the revamped Thunder, since the additions of Carmelo Anthony and Paul George are really going to help them against the Warriors. 

 

And if you can stomach listening to Lavar Ball, you should tune into some Lakers games. Lonzo Ball is a throwback pass-first PG. 

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1 hour ago, buck said:

Yeah, OKC got mello and George! Does that make them a favorite?

 

I don't think they're the favorites, because against the Warriors, Durant > Melo while the Curry-Westbrook and Thompson-George matchups cancel each other out, and Draymond Green is better than anyone else on the Thunder. But if OKC can get hot from 3pt land, then they'd have a decent shot against Golden State if the OKC defense can learn how to switch on the perimeter. 

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This looks like a good place to rant.

 

"I still haven't found what I'm looking for" is the worst song ever.  "With or without you" sucks also.  The Joshua Tree was a great album except for those two songs. 

 

I love The Rolling Stones, but "Miss You" is one the worst songs ever.  Let It Bleed and Exile on Main St are The Stones best albums.  Really need FM radio to stop playing "Miss You" and "Start Me Up" all the time.

 

ZZ Top's best album is Afterburner, and the best songs are of course "Sleeping Bag" and "Stages".  Please no more of that Duck Dynasty song, "Legs" and "Tush".

 

Right wing AM radio is much more entertaining than left wing.

 

Scott Walker should send up some WI National Guard troops to the Upper Peninsula and annex it.  They'd be welcomed as liberating heroes.  Michigan should just be that oven mitt.  There would be some lawyers or politicians  that would blah blah you can't do that, but then people would acknowledge the map looks a lot better and say that was a good move.        

 

Pepsi is better than Coke, WalMart is better than Amazon, and the National League is better than the American League.

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Totalitarian/communist government results from the 20th century.

 

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

 

sorry to show facts. But this is where I am afraid the intolerant left is leading this country.  

Any many leftists (in this thread, as well) probably don't realize where they are heading and why people like me want to stop the madness.

also, this is what the 2nd amendment is for. I believe all of these populations had been disarmed.

 

and exile on Main St is awesome. About a month ago I bought a mint copy of the lp at an antique store for 10$. 

 

Sticky fingers is my 2nd favorite stones album.

 

 

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