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5 hours ago, buck said:

can racism eliminate racism?

Seems to be working really great so far.  Might as well add in hiding behind their own misogyny, greed, and collusion by accusing others of what they themselves are guilty. But really, is any of this surprising?  They've been exposed and have nothing left than to continue to double-down until there's no one stupid enough to believe any of this bullshit anymore. But hey, Trump says mean things. 

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On 10/18/2017 at 3:51 PM, buck said:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

 

The nfl didnt even need to consider to make a rule, they can just site actual law that's in the books. 

 

 

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1)when the flag is displayed—
(A)
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
(Pub. L. 105–225Aug. 12, 1998112 Stat. 1263Pub. L. 110–417, [div. A], title V, § 595, Oct. 14, 2008122 Stat. 4475.)

 

 

 

 

Law says "should" which means it is not mandatory

https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/plain_language/articles/mandatory/

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19 hours ago, OL' Dirty Tecmo said:

 

Wtf? Who in the hell would ever take this seriously? The funny thing is, if you do take this persons conjectures seriously,  you've proven yourself to actually be the racist.  You would think an actual card carrying white supremacist came up with this shit.

 

so asians, arabs, indians, Africans, South Americans, Canadians 😳, and etc can't do math huh? Just white, or european, or greek or italian people? 

And white people use math to make non whites "feel bad"? Oh I get it. You're fucking crazy. That's cool. Now go teach your college class, you racist idiot.

 

Charlie Murphy was right, we're surrounded by high-functioning retards.

 

either that or we're surrounded by an agenda that is set to destroy this country.

 

 

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53 minutes ago, buck said:

Wtf? Who in the hell would ever take this seriously?

 

You're talking about some quotes from one author of a 40 author publication on mathematics methods that essentially no one will read that is the #2 trending story on that site.  Time to start look at ending tenure at higher learning institutions as it's just other tool of the global elitists and their socialist capitalist agenda.

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Out of context? You like to see homos naked? That's cool. Thanks.

 

how do you take the following out of context?

 

“On many levels, mathematics itself operates as whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as white,” she writes.

Further, she says mathematics operates with unearned privilege in society, “just like whiteness.”

 

 

 

...... Yeah, if only I could see the "context" if this garbage - I would see how racist I AM and how bad math is for black people.

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Damn.  If my love for hockey and heavy metal (both "white" interests) weren't enough... my love for math, which happened to be my favorite subject hence my degree and occupation in finance, confirms I am in fact a racist.  Shit.

 

Seriously though, I find the article highly offensive.

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12 minutes ago, buck said:

Out of context?

 

I have removed the egregious text from the response about the article about the article about the publication that no one would be dumb enough to take seriously.

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have you ever considered that the race card, affirmative action, race based welfare (or welfare in general), lowering the academic bar, and things of these racist natures actually hinders minorities and does not help them in the big picture?

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9 minutes ago, buck said:

have you ever considered that the race card, affirmative action, race based welfare (or welfare in general), lowering the academic bar, and things of these racist natures actually hinders minorities and does not help them in the big picture?

Correlation does not imply causation.

However, the true privilege of two-parent households have been destroyed since 1965 (the civil Rights act and the beginning of the so-called party switch). There's certainly some credibility to your points, since everyone is not the same. Giving someone an unearned advantage could be interpreted by some as being inferior.

 

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What I'm getting at is that minority people are "held down" by the racist schemes because they end up depending or falling back on them.

 

They use the inherently racist ideas, like the article above points out, as an excuse to under achieve.

 

Im black, math and school is for racist white people. Fuck school.

 

dont like me stealing and then brandishing a gun at a cop, it's because I'm black. Fuck cops, cops are racist.

 

dont like what I say, you want to debate me with facts? Fuck you, racist. Facts are racist.

 

They say, fuck it I'll have sex with this person out of wedlock because 1. I will get welfare to help me take care of the kid or 2. I will use other people's tax money to get an abortion. 

 

if welfare wasn't waiting, people MIGHT make better choices. Because they'll have to deal with the consequences. 

 

I know there are plenty of non minorities on welfare, way too many. But this whole victim mentality can't be helping anybody. And it's nothing new. But it just seems like the victim mentality is exponentially growing.

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42 minutes ago, buck said:

have you ever considered that the race card, affirmative action, race based welfare (or welfare in general), lowering the academic bar, and things of these racist natures actually hinders minorities and does not help them in the big picture?

 

Have you considered that you post on here about identity issues because you spend a lot of time reading about and subsequently being angry about identity issues? 

 

 

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Identity politics is everywhere.  it is the new thing.  And I see it as a threat to freedom and the country I live in.

 

think about that.

 

and who is angry? When did I say I was angry? do my posts make you angry, so that you project your own feelings onto me so that you feel like you can judge me?

 

thanks for your concern though. If it is sincere.

 

 

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1 hour ago, buck said:

Identity politics is everywhere.  it is the new thing.  And I see it as a threat to freedom and the country I live in.

 

How so? (e.g. the prevalence? the divisiveness?)

 

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Dear friends, I regret to inform you that my teacher does NOT believe that Tecmo Super Bowl is worthy of a powerpoint presentation.

 

I have decided to change the topic of my presentation to something more suitable:

 

Pau Gasol 

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a. 

so, matt - you are sort of a programmer, right?

 

let's pretend you are a programmer for hire, you have a website and etc.  you are always looking for new clients and different jobs.  

you get an email from someone, asking you to code a certain program for this company/person.  as you understand it, the program he is asking you to code is "legal" but in your opinion, unethical - it violates your conscience to create a program like that which is being requested of you (maybe it's pornographic or exploitative or some sort of unethical gambling software or religious or satanic or promotes a god-created universe instead of evolution, whatever it may be, I digress) and you do not want to be a part of it.

 

so you say, "thanks for aksking, but I would not like to create this code for you because it violates and/or compromises my artistic/creative/programming conscience."   so, the next day, you get another email.  this time it is the district attorney and you are being sued for not performing your creative services.  you have to close your business.  get ready to go to court.

 

b.

or maybe you are a black nationalist t-shirt maker, and you are asked to make an order of t-shirts that promote white nationalist, hateful ideas, including a drawing of a black person being hanged from a tree, and even the *gasp* "n-word" (not in a rap context, and the person is white, so...not cool to use that word in this case, but I digress.)

 

you kindly tell the potential client, "no thanks, but it would violate my conscience to create such a work, I would like to not do this order".  prepare to lose your money and business because you refused.

 

c.
now pretend you make baked goods, like cakes and stuff.  two people that live in Massachusetts come to your bakery store in Nebraska.  they ask you to create a special cake for them, with a certain message written on it and a certain arrangement of plastic statues (perhaps two men in top hats in a 69 arrangement, but I digress.)  

 

you tell them, "no thanks, you are welcome to purchase any of my standard cakes, but I do not feel right writing the message on the cake that you want me to write and it violates my conscience to arrange the plastic figures on the cake in the way you are asking, I would like to pass on this business transaction".

the next thing you know, you business is being shut down and you are sued.  usa elected officials are publicly comparing you to actual ww2 nazis.

 

 

in the three examples above, the business/person is being asked to create/express ideas and/or use a form of speech that expresses things that they do not agree to nor want to express. 

 

what do you think about this issue?  do you see this as a threat to our 1st amendment and freedom in general?   (I do)

is it ok to force a business to express?  (not in my opinion)

if you can force a business to express, why not a normal citizen? (neither, if you ask me)

 

can (should) the state compel its citizens or businesses to express things that they do not want to express?  (I fucking hope not)

can/should the 1st amendment be abolished so that anyone can force anyone else to perform work for them or to express ideas? (please, no)

 

 

 

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It seems as though you're taking the issue of not providing service for someone because you don't like them and portraying it as being forced to provide a service that someone doesn't want to provide.  I won't sell you a cake because your marriage is abomination unto the lord VS I'm not willing to sell you what you want written on your cake are very two different things that easily can be constructed to look the same because at the end of the day you have no cake. Trying to drown the nuance in scenarios meant to overwhelm logic with emotion is often very effective.

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2 hours ago, Knobbe said:

It seems as though you're taking the issue of not providing service for someone because you don't like them and portraying it as being forced to provide a service that someone doesn't want to provide.  I won't sell you a cake because your marriage is abomination unto the lord VS I'm not willing to sell you what you want written on your cake are very two different things that easily can be constructed to look the same because at the end of the day you have no cake. Trying to drown the nuance in scenarios meant to overwhelm logic with emotion is often very effective.

 

logic?  nice one, thanks for the insult.  what is not logical about my point?  please respond briefly to these questions below.  I am curious about YOUR LOGIC.

 

I say:  it should not matter what the reason is. they are not different things.  any reason that a person comes up with should be a good enough reason and just as valid or insane as any other.  for example: maybe one person refuses to create/express and says "the LORD" and another person says "lord satan" and another person says "lord HILLARY" and another person says "I am insane" and another person says "I hate you"...on and on.  

 

1. so, matt, you are suggesting that ONLY BECAUSE THE BAKER USED THE NAME OF THE LORD that he should be shut down and sued and called a NAZI - Am I right here?  

 

2. by your logic - should you be able to force a MUSLIM t-shirt business to make a "FUCK MUHAMMAD IN THE GOAT-ASS" t-shirt for you?   

 

3. is forcing a christian to create/express against his religion not actually the same thing as the state establishing a religion (the LGBTQQ religion)?  is this not what the 1st amendment is for - to protect THE PEOPLE from being harassed by their elected governors from being forced to speak?

 

4. but anyways, what other reasons are not OK to refuse?  (or maybe it would be easier to list valid reasons to refuse.)  please begin your list.  (I bet it starts and ends with Christianity.)

 

5. what is logical about Christianity being a non-valid excuse to not perform creative service - among any other millions of reasons to refuse creative service?  eg. why single out Christianity or the LORD?

 

6. if you do not personally believe in the LORD, why do you care if someone uses the LORD as an excuse to refuse service?  are they not just an insane idiot in your eyes?  why punish them for their beliefs - why the hate?  who else would you punish because you do not believe in or understand where they are coming from?  does it matter? (NO)

 

again, I say that ANY reason is valid to refuse creative/expressive service. 

whether it is christianity, muslim, satanic, atheist, darwinist, naziist, black power, lgbtqq bigotry, republican hating, democrat hating etc.  it is all the same because it is all a personal choice that exists as an idea in the mind of a person, who is just as important as the person asking them to create/express.  no one is more important than anyone, so if one person declines to create/express - that must be respected.  otherwise, you are RAPING the conscience of another person by forcing them to create/express something that they do not want to create/express.

 

I mean, I don't know if you've been following the censorship by youtube, twitter, etc...but they are overtly and covertly censoring conservative viewpoints.  

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2 hours ago, PockyCandy said:

Good cover right here. 

 

 

 

Fun! Very clear. Good enunciation. The tone is thrown off for me a bit because of her general vocal range, but I think the thing that bothers me about this version is her nasality. She's singing out of her nose. Visualize the air coming out of her, and you can hear how it's rolling from the back of her throat, and splitting between her nasal passages and the arc of her mouth.

 

Good singer, though! 

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Look, over there.... there's the media cycle.... let's call each other names!!!!

 

Wait, over there.... there's more media cycle.... let's call each other the same names!!!

 

But remember *******?  They weren't given the same treatment.

 

Quit being a unique snowflake.... Safe space....

 

I don't like you're views and I'm allowed to be angry.  You don't like my views so you don't need to be in America.  Get out!!!!

 

Oscumba was this.... we put up with him for 8 years.

 

Trumpette is the most picked on!!! He's your PRESIDENT, We Won, Get Over It!!!!

 

Blah, blah, blah..... "Insert Party", ALL of them blah blah blah.... "Insert Party" ALL believe we are Blah blah blah.

 

This is why we are falling apart in this country.  Speaking in absolutes.

 

Also, don't think our generation and the generation before us are ready for All information All the time.

 

In the 80's and 90's we knew the places and faces that gave us our news.  Now any one from any where can post, tweet or meme a statement and if enough people believe it, it becomes absolute truth.   Now, most people don't seem to want truth anymore, they want opinions of what the truth means so we can feel justified in our feelings.

 

I take people at face value.  Say faggot in a way that is not obviously a joke and I take it you are a bigot.  Respect can take years to gain and seconds to lose. 

 

When you say "all" republicans, I take it you don't care to listen.  When you say "all" democrats, same thing.   For either of those, I can find a person from the other party that doesn't fit your mold. 

 

I want to know why people think the way they do.  I don't need to agree, but without understanding there can be no middle ground.  But if I you only call out one side for something while turning the blind eye to your side doing the same thing, then you just come off that you just want to spew your opinions... I don't waste time talking to those people anymore.  I'm not Superman, I'm not trying to save the world.  Not worth it in the long run.

 

Do I agree with BLM?  I believe they have some valid points, doesn't mean I have to support everything they say and do.  But a large group of minorities believe the things they march for.  So it's real in that aspect.

 

Does that mean I'm against the police?  No.  But there needs to be a close look at our justice system and the way we go about enforcing the law.

 

Do I agree the white people in Middle America are being left behind by politicians in Washington... No, but they do, so it's a real thing.  Some voted for Trump as their way to have America hear their voices.   

 

Now we need to dig deep, leave our pride at the doors and just listen and try to find common ground.  But hey, I'd settle for people to use their goddam blinkers again.

 

We all want things like good healthcare, nice roads, strong jobs etc.... Those are the things that bind us, religion and so call politics are what divide us. 

 

(FYI, I honestly don't believe the Democratic and Republican party are any different).  When you're run by billionaires, they don't need to own a horse in the race... they can just own the racetrack...

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