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HARRISON BERGERON by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. 

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal 
before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter 
than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was 
stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 
211th, 212th, and 213 th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing 
vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General. 

Some things about living still weren't quite right, though. April for 
instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in 
that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron's fourteen- 
year-old son, Harrison, away. 

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn't think about it very 
hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn't 
think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his 
intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his 
ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a 
government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would 
send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair 
advantage of their brains. 

George and Hazel were watching television. There were tears on Hazel's 
cheeks, but she'd forgotten for the moment what they were about. 

On the television screen were ballerinas. 

A buzzer sounded in George's head. His thoughts fled in panic, like bandits 
from a burglar alarm. 

"That was a real pretty dance, that dance they just did," said Hazel. 

"Huh" said George. 

"That dance-it was nice," said Hazel. 

"Yup, " said George. He tried to think a little about the ballerinas. They 
weren't really very good-no better than anybody else would have been, anyway. 
They were burdened with sashweights and bags of birdshot, and their faces 
were masked, so that no one, seeing a free and graceful gesture or a pretty 
face, would feel like something the cat drug in. George was toying with the 
vague notion that maybe dancers shouldn't be handicapped. But he didn't get 
very far with it before another noise in his ear radio scattered his 
thoughts . 

George winced. So did two out of the eight ballerinas. 

Hazel saw him wince. Having no mental handicap herself, she had to ask George 
what the latest sound had been. 

"Sounded like somebody hitting a milk bottle with a ball peen hammer, " said 
George . 

"I'd think it would be real interesting, hearing all the different sounds," 
said Hazel a little envious. "All the things they think up." 



"Urn, " said George. 

"Only, if I was Handicapper General, you know what I would do?" said Hazel. 
Hazel, as a matter of fact, bore a strong resemblance to the Handicapper 
General, a woman named Diana Moon Glampers. "If I was Diana Moon Glampers," 
said Hazel, "I'd have chimes on Sunday- just chimes. Kind of in honor of 
religion . " 

"I could think, if it was just chimes," said George. 

"Well-maybe make 'em real loud," said Hazel. "I think I'd make a good 
Handicapper General." 

"Good as anybody else," said George. 

"Who knows better then I do what normal is?" said Hazel. 

"Right," said George. He began to think glimmeringly about his abnormal son 
who was now in jail, about Harrison, but a twenty-one-gun salute in his head 
stopped that. 

"Boy!" said Hazel, "that was a doozy, wasn't it?" 

It was such a doozy that George was white and trembling, and tears stood on 
the rims of his red eyes. Two of of the eight ballerinas had collapsed to the 
studio floor, were holding their temples. 

"All of a sudden you look so tired," said Hazel. "Why don't you stretch out 
on the sofa, so's you can rest your handicap bag on the pillows, honeybunch." 
She was referring to the forty-seven pounds of birdshot in a canvas bag, 
which was padlocked around George's neck. "Go on and rest the bag for a 
little while," she said. "I don't care if you're not equal to me for a 
while . " 

George weighed the bag with his hands. "I don't mind it," he said. "I don't 
notice it any more. It's just a part of me." 

"You been so tired lately-kind of wore out," said Hazel. "If there was just 
some way we could make a little hole in the bottom of the bag, and just take 
out a few of them lead balls. Just a few." 

"Two years in prison and two thousand dollars fine for every ball I took 
out," said George. "I don't call that a bargain." 

"If you could just take a few out when you came home from work," said Hazel. 
"I mean-you don't compete with anybody around here. You just set around." 

"If I tried to get away with it," said George, "then other people ' d get away 
with it-and pretty soon we'd be right back to the dark ages again, with 
everybody competing against everybody else. You wouldn't like that, would 
you?" 

"I'd hate it," said Hazel. 

"There you are," said George. The minute people start cheating on laws, what 
do you think happens to society?" 



If Hazel hadn't been able to come up with an answer to this question, George 
couldn't have supplied one. A siren was going off in his head. 

"Reckon it'd fall all apart," said Hazel. 

"What would?" said George blankly. 

"Society," said Hazel uncertainly. "Wasn't that what you just said? 

"Who knows?" said George. 

The television program was suddenly interrupted for a news bulletin. It 
wasn't clear at first as to what the bulletin was about, since the announcer, 
like all announcers, had a serious speech impediment. For about half a 
minute, and in a state of high excitement, the announcer tried to say, 
"Ladies and Gentlemen." 

He finally gave up, handed the bulletin to a ballerina to read. 

"That's all right-" Hazel said of the announcer, "he tried. That's the big 
thing. He tried to do the best he could with what God gave him. He should get 
a nice raise for trying so hard." 

"Ladies and Gentlemen," said the ballerina, reading the bulletin. She must 
have been extraordinarily beautiful, because the mask she wore was hideous. 
And it was easy to see that she was the strongest and most graceful of all 
the dancers, for her handicap bags were as big as those worn by two-hundred 
pound men. 

And she had to apologize at once for her voice, which was a very unfair voice 
for a woman to use. Her voice was a warm, luminous, timeless melody. "Excuse 
me-" she said, and she began again, making her voice absolutely 
uncompetitive . 

"Harrison Bergeron, age fourteen," she said in a grackle squawk, "has just 
escaped from jail, where he was held on suspicion of plotting to overthrow 
the government. He is a genius and an athlete, is under-handicapped, and 
should be regarded as extremely dangerous." 

A police photograph of Harrison Bergeron was flashed on the screen-upside 
down, then sideways, upside down again, then right side up. The picture 
showed the full length of Harrison against a background calibrated in feet 
and inches. He was exactly seven feet tall. 

The rest of Harrison's appearance was Halloween and hardware. Nobody had ever 
born heavier handicaps. He had outgrown hindrances faster than the H-G men 
could think them up. Instead of a little ear radio for a mental handicap, he 
wore a tremendous pair of earphones, and spectacles with thick wavy lenses. 
The spectacles were intended to make him not only half blind, but to give him 
whanging headaches besides. 

Scrap metal was hung all over him. Ordinarily, there was a certain symmetry, 
a military neatness to the handicaps issued to strong people, but Harrison 
looked like a walking junkyard. In the race of life, Harrison carried three 
hundred pounds . 



And to offset his good looks, the H-G men required that he wear at all times 
a red rubber ball for a nose, keep his eyebrows shaved off, and cover his 
even white teeth with black caps at snaggle-tooth random. 

"If you see this boy, " said the ballerina, "do not - I repeat, do not - try 
to reason with him." 

There was the shriek of a door being torn from its hinges. 

Screams and barking cries of consternation came from the television set. The 
photograph of Harrison Bergeron on the screen jumped again and again, as 
though dancing to the tune of an earthquake. 

George Bergeron correctly identified the earthquake, and well he might have - 
for many was the time his own home had danced to the same crashing tune. "My 
God-" said George, "that must be Harrison!" 

The realization was blasted from his mind instantly by the sound of an 
automobile collision in his head. 

When George could open his eyes again, the photograph of Harrison was gone. A 
living, breathing Harrison filled the screen. 

Clanking, clownish, and huge, Harrison stood - in the center of the studio. 
The knob of the uprooted studio door was still in his hand. Ballerinas, 
technicians, musicians, and announcers cowered on their knees before him, 
expecting to die. 

"I am the Emperor!" cried Harrison. "Do you hear? I am the Emperor! Everybody 
must do what I say at once!" He stamped his foot and the studio shook. 

"Even as I stand here" he bellowed, "crippled, hobbled, sickened - I am a 
greater ruler than any man who ever lived! Now watch me become what I can 
become ! " 

Harrison tore the straps of his handicap harness like wet tissue paper, tore 
straps guaranteed to support five thousand pounds. 

Harrison's scrap-iron handicaps crashed to the floor. 

Harrison thrust his thumbs under the bar of the padlock that secured his head 
harness. The bar snapped like celery. Harrison smashed his headphones and 
spectacles against the wall. 

He flung away his rubber-ball nose, revealed a man that would have awed Thor, 
the god of thunder. 

"I shall now select my Empress!" he said, looking down on the cowering 

people. "Let 

the first woman who dares rise to her feet claim her mate and her throne!" 

A moment passed, and then a ballerina arose, swaying like a willow. 

Harrison plucked the mental handicap from her ear, snapped off her physical 
handicaps with marvelous delicacy. Last of all he removed her mask. 

She was blindingly beautiful. 



"Now-" said Harrison, taking her hand, "shall we show the people the meaning 
of the word dance? Music!" he commanded. 

The musicians scrambled back into their chairs, and Harrison stripped them of 
their handicaps, too. "Play your best," he told them, "and I'll make you 
barons and dukes and earls." 

The music began. It was normal at first-cheap, silly, false. But Harrison 
snatched two musicians from their chairs, waved them like batons as he sang 
the music as he wanted it played. He slammed them back into their chairs. 

The music began again and was much improved. 

Harrison and his Empress merely listened to the music for a while-listened 
gravely, as though synchronizing their heartbeats with it. 

They shifted their weights to their toes. 

Harrison placed his big hands on the girls tiny waist, letting her sense the 
weightlessness that would soon be hers. 

And then, in an explosion of joy and grace, into the air they sprang! 

Not only were the laws of the land abandoned, but the law of gravity and the 
laws of motion as well. 

They reeled, whirled, swiveled, flounced, capered, gamboled, and spun. 

They leaped like deer on the moon. 

The studio ceiling was thirty feet high, but each leap brought the dancers 
nearer to it. 

It became their obvious intention to kiss the ceiling. They kissed it. 

And then, neutraling gravity with love and pure will, they remained suspended 
in air inches below the ceiling, and they kissed each other for a long, long 
time . 

It was then that Diana Moon Clampers, the Handicapper General, came into the 
studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun. She fired twice, and the 
Emperor and the Empress were dead before they hit the floor. 

Diana Moon Clampers loaded the gun again. She aimed it at the musicians and 
told them they had ten seconds to get their handicaps back on. 

It was then that the Bergerons' television tube burned out. 

Hazel turned to comment about the blackout to George. But George had gone out 
into the kitchen for a can of beer. 

George came back in with the beer, paused while a handicap signal shook him 
up. And then he sat down again. "You been crying" he said to Hazel. 

"Yup, " she said. 



"What about?" he said. 

"I forget," she said. "Something real sad on television." 

"What was it?" he said. 

"It's all kind of mixed up in my mind," said Hazel. 

"Forget sad things," said George. 

"I always do," said Hazel. 

"That's my girl," said George. He winced. There was the sound of a rivetting 
gun in his head. 

"Gee - I could tell that one was a doozy, " said Hazel. 

"You can say that again," said George. 

"Gee-" said Hazel, "I could tell that one was a doozy." 

"Harrison Bergeron" is copyrighted by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr., 1961. 

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since youtube is going to start hard-core censoring stuff, surely people will migrate to or create a similar platform.  what do you think?  

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39 minutes ago, buck said:

since youtube is going to start hard-core censoring stuff, surely people will migrate to or create a similar platform.  what do you think?  

 

This is the first I'm hearing about censoring stuff on youtube (aside from the long-standing ban on pornography). What are they censoring?

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Supposedly they'll be censoring certain kinds of 'controversial' video. Considering Alex Jones and Brietbart are up in arms, I'm assuming the Google owned company will be targeting far-leaning political rhetoric. One would hope it means far-leaning right, left, and similarly violent religious narratives across the religious spectrum. Now who's going to determine what's considered 'controversial'? Who cares. It doesn't matter. Because $$$ always wins out in the free market. And now more than ever corporations bend over to the will of their shareholders and their presiding board's sensibilities. Is it 'right?' Who's to say. Frankly, right and wrong in this day and age are a letigious commodity. Whoever can prove whether they're right in a court of law is all that matters. And that's the free market for you, especially in advertiser-driven media platforms. Advertisers and the bottom line rules all. Welcome to hell.

 

If people flock to a platform, it'll be Vimeo. But the content producers who are going to be railing against YouTube for censoring them (because of advertiser interests) are going to stay on YouTube for the very same reason: it's the most advanced advertiser-friendly platform available, and people only care about money. Corporate integrity died long ago.

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9 minutes ago, Maynard_G_Krebs said:

Now who's going to determine what's considered 'controversial'? Who cares. It doesn't matter. 

 

 

thanks for the response.  it's already been decided and you can see who your new big brother is.  one of them is the Anti-Defamation League.  whoops.

 

 

 

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Again, respectfully, who cares about their decision. If it's a liberal parent company, is anyone surprised that it's going to be ruled over by the social justice police? I'm not. Google knows everything about anyone who uses Google enough. Cookie data shows your purchase history, how much you purchase, where you purchase, how much you watch, what you watch, ad infinity. They've slotted everyone who uses YouTube into categories of content watchers. They can accurately guess what you're most likely to buy at any given time during the year. They target us in our zip codes, by our habits, and demographics. They know what device we use, what operating system we run, how frequently we check out email, and on and on. They know almost everything about our habits and our digital choices.

 

I say all of this to point out that since they know so much about us, I'd bet they're willing to make a call like this because they know where the majority of their $$$ comes from, and whoever they're about to censor doesn't earn them the majority of that $$$, or represents the majority of the constituency who waste years of their lives watching baby goat videos. And again, the customization required to align advertiser interests with their target demographics while excluding the array of sites they find unpalatable is $$$$$ to develope in a sophisticated environment. They're not spending that kind of money on that sort of tech any time soon. I mean, f*ck, has anyone ever tried to actually contact YouTube? I have. It's next to impossible for the casual user. Now imagine a sophisticated advertising platform that largely handles its user base with FAQs and robo callers shelling out big $$$ to customize their tech, which would also require generous hand holding by in-person phone reps for every fucking retard that has a YouTube content channel = $$$$$$$$. Even now calling about AdWords accounts, I get routed to f*cking India to talk to somebody who I can barely understand, and most people don't even know what the f*ck AdWords even is, so I assume the amount of potential contact users try to make with a YouTube rep dwarfs AdWords customer service calls by a million percent. If I'm getting sent to India to request my AdWords account be unsuspended, then where are they gonna send me for a YouTube call--Antarctica to be answered by polar bears?

 

Free market, baby. There's no I in Team, and there's no Ethics in Capitalism.

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58 minutes ago, Maynard_G_Krebs said:

Supposedly they'll be censoring certain kinds of 'controversial' video. Considering Alex Jones and Brietbart are up in arms, I'm assuming the Google owned company will be targeting far-leaning political rhetoric. One would hope it means far-leaning right, left, and similarly violent religious narratives across the religious spectrum. Now who's going to determine what's considered 'controversial'? Who cares. It doesn't matter. Because $$$ always wins out in the free market. And now more than ever corporations bend over to the will of their shareholders and their presiding board's sensibilities. Is it 'right?' Who's to say. Frankly, right and wrong in this day and age are a letigious commodity. Whoever can prove whether they're right in a court of law is all that matters. And that's the free market for you, especially in advertiser-driven media platforms. Advertisers and the bottom line rules all. Welcome to hell.

 

If people flock to a platform, it'll be Vimeo. But the content producers who are going to be railing against YouTube for censoring them (because of advertiser interests) are going to stay on YouTube for the very same reason: it's the most advanced advertiser-friendly platform available, and people only care about money. Corporate integrity died long ago.

 

But using this logic, wouldn't censorship be the last thing YouTube would want to do? Controversial videos from the far right are extremely popular among seemingly large demographic in this country, and as such, wouldn't Google/YouTube find a way to profit off of the popularity of that kind of video?

 

For example:

1: Mr. Far Right makes a video filled with racist epithets and calls to kill all Muslims. 

2: The demographic he's targeting watches video. 

3: The video is popular enough to catch the attention of the regular media. 

4: Mr. Far Left makes video decrying the video (and of course takes it way too far in the opposite direction) that is popular with the opposite demographic. 

5: Mr. Far Right's supporters make videos of their own to respond, and then Mr. Far Left's do the same. 

 

Wouldn't/Shouldn't Google be able to find a way to profit off of this stupidity? 

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Because as inflammatory as that shit is, it doesn't likely yield ad conversions. It's about conversions, not impressions. It's safer for YouTube to promote cute baby goat videos and the ads that get aligned with baby goat videos than the backlash they get from advertisers for being on 'questionable' content. If advertisers pull their money and invest more into other ad platforms, like Facebook, Instagram, or SnapChat, YouTube is fucked. Advertisers, most of the time, aren't in it for the risky proposition. They're looking for a sure thing conversion. And YouTube, unlike AdWords, makes you pay by the impression, and not the click through, because it's not great for conversions. It's primarily a brand lift platform, and it's decent at that, but conversions are where the money goes. As loud as that inflammatory message may be by the content creator, it's still a minority of the total American public that buy into any of that far right or far left shit.

 

There's only so many 'survivalist gear pack'-making companies that can advertise of an Alex Jones-esq channel.

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Also, part of the reason why I imagine that youTube is cracking down on this shit, is because foreigners are starting to use American political media to energize bases to infight for profit.

 

Like this channel: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCWXPkK02j6MHW-4xCJzgMuw

 

It's called Golden State News. Know why it's called that? To reap the benefit of in-platform SEO by being attributed with the Golden State Warriors popularity. Know how I found this channel? By letting YouTube auto play videos after a specific Golden State Warriors clip that I watched. Five videos after the original, a video from this channel auto played. This channel is made by Russians, who used to link back to other similarly vile one-sided liberal channels in a network of bullshit channels. This channel used link back to its network of channels where the same photo was used in about sections of a young girl listed on their other bullshit channels. I did a reverse image search on the girl's photo, and sure enough, it was ripped from a Russian magazine. In the about section of this channel, if you try to go to the author's website, Google tells you you're about to get fucked with malware. The channel was created in April 2015, at the true start of the voting cycle.

 

There's no belief in the content presented, and much of it is C-SPAN or news clips with foreigners doing English voice overs on propaganda videos. Notice in the about section there are links to donate to them? This is the kind of shit going on now. Foreigners using American made media platforms to milk $$$ from stupid American party loyalists. Republicans, Democrats; whoever is angry enough and stupid enough to be swayed by shit like this. 73,000+ people subscribe to this channel, made by Russians. Awesome, right?

 

Here's the kicker. Subscribe to the channel, and I can almost garuntee you that you will receive a robocall within 10 minutes if they're able to track your YouTube user information to any account on a major social media platform that contains your phone number.

 

Welcome to the new world.

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Here's a brief write-up I recently put together for a meeting at work to educate my clueless director-level staff. For anyone who doesn't have Google Analytics experience, this might be interesting for you to read up on only some of the features that it offers for tracking statistics and constituency information. This is top level functionality. This write-up does not include eCommerce-specific tracking options, which are even more invasive.

 

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1. REAL-TIME STATISTICS (users currently on website)
 
- Locations (where users are accessing a website from geographically)
- Traffic Sources (from what source users are currently accessing a website from)
- Content (the pages on a website users are viewing, and from what type of hardware device they're using)
 
 
2. AUDIENCE
 
- Sessions (# of total visits by a user regardless of how many pages they viewed)
- Users (# of unique individual visitors)
- Pageviews (# of total page views)
- Avg Session Duration (average time users spend on a website)
- Bounce Rate (% of single page visits with no additional interaction prior to exiting)
- % of New Sessions (estimated % of first time visits)
- 1 Day Active Users (# of unique users in the last day)
- 7 Day Active Users (# of unique users in the last 7 days)
- 14 Day Active Users (# of unique users in the last 14 days)
- 30 Day Active Users (# of unique users in the last 30 days)
 
 
2a. DEMOGRAPHICS
 
- Age (estimate of all user ages)
- Gender (estimate of all user genders)
 
 
2b. INTERESTS
 
- Affinity Category (Top of Funnel; Google places all web users into pre-defined Interest-based ad groups, for instance: "Art & Theater Aficionados," "Green Living Enthusiasts," "Music Lovers")
- In-Market Category (Bottom of Funnel; Google sorts all users who are likely to purchase something from a pre-defined category by Google, for instance: "Travel/Hotel," "Home & Garden," "Financial Services")
- Other Categories (Top of Funnel; a more generalized version of Affinity Category, but with broader categories)
 
 
2c. GEOGRAPHY
 
Language (languages that visitors use in their Internet browsers)
Country (user country)
City (user city)
- Continent (user continent)
- Sub-Continent (user sub-continent)
 
 
2d. BEHAVIOR
 
- New vs. Returning Visitor (including Bounce Rate %, Pages viewed per Session, and Avg. Session duration of either visitor type)
- Frequency & Recency (Frequency: how many returning sessions happen. Recency: Days since last session)
- Engagement (session duration & how many web pages were viewed within each session)
 
 
2e. TECHNOLOGY
 
Browser (desktop or mobile Internet browser type)
Operating System (desktop or mobile operating system used)
Screen Resolution (desktop or mobile screen resolution)
- Service Provider (users' Internet Service Provider)
- Technology Platform Used (desktop, mobile, or tablet)
- Mobile Device Used (phone model used, i.e., iPhone, Samsung, etc.)
 
 
2f. BENCHMARKING
 
- Channels (Comparison data with other industries, including Sessions, % New Sessions, New Users, Pages, Avg. Session Duration, Bounce Rate. Please note that the industry categories used to compare these statistical averages are very generalized, such as "Arts & Entertainment" industry.)
- Location (Location-based comparison data with other industries of user geographical origin)
- Devices Type (Hardware-based comparison data with other industries.)
- User Flow (The page where users first land on the a website, what pages they visit afterward, and when they exit from their session.)
 
 
3. ACQUISITION
 
- Channels (the digital connection visitors used to reach a website, i.e., direct links, organic search, paid search, referrals, etc.)
- Referrals (the website source that visitors used to reach a website)
 
 
4. BEHAVIOR
 
- All Pages (user traffic stats across web pages; where users land; where users exit)
- Page Timings (estimated avg. web page loading speed for users)
- Site Search (search terms used on a site; web pages where search was initiated; general usage statistics)

 

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A grown man just tried to tell me that a "real man" drinks, gets into fist fights, and swears. 

What an idiot. 

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Neo-Nazis and White Supremicist "Logic": 

 

"I can scream at minorities, attack them, and try to ruin their lives because I have a right to free speech. But if those minorities try to retaliate in any way, then that proves all of the negative views I have of them as sub-human and they deserve to be deported/killed."

 

 

(Might as well make "Random Thoughts" the new "Ramblings of Pocky" thread)

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13 hours ago, Maynard_G_Krebs said:

Yeah, politics aside, shit is about to get much worse.

 

I really don't want to know how bad it can get. We're already at the point where taking a public stance against THE ****ING KKK AND ****ING NAZIS could be considered a bold statement. 

 

On another note, the fact that Neo-Nazis call themselves patriots while proudly displaying the flag of a regime that killed millions of Americans in a war is hilarious to me.  

 

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39 minutes ago, PockyCandy said:

 

I really don't want to know how bad it can get. We're already at the point where taking a public stance against THE ****ING KKK AND ****ING NAZIS could be considered a bold statement. 

 

On another note, the fact that Neo-Nazis call themselves patriots while proudly displaying the flag of a regime that killed millions of Americans in a war is hilarious to me.  

 

 

dude take a chill pill on the false flag nazi bullshit.  for one, we are NOT at the point where "taking a stand" against these stupid fucks is a "bold" statement.  you have shit backwards.  take a break from the new world order fake news cycle, and step back and see that this is just a bunch of bullshit. 

 

people can call themselves whatever they want - it doesn't mean that they are what they say they are, or that anyone has to respect them.  just like a man calling himself a woman.  I neither respect or believe that bullshit, nor do I have do.  same as some stupid "nazi".  

 

furthermore, general robert lee was a bad-ass and a hero.  taking down his statue should have nothing to do with "white" skin color.  it's history of this great nation and culture.  just because some so-called kkk assholes protested it doesn't mean that it's wrong to protest it - or justifies its removal.  I think that we should ALL BE PROTESTING the removal of this kind of stuff.

 

erasing history (like removing statues of great american heroes like R. Lee) is a dangerous road.  similar to the road ISIS has been taking in the Middle East, destroying ancient history and historical sites.   imagine the government deciding to take down statues of Martin Luther King Jr or renaming every fucking highway in the US that is named after him (must be 10000)....

 

mgk is right, shit is gonna get bad, but it's not because of some so-called "white" supremacists.  it's because of people not wanting to do what is "right".  people go after their own interests at the expense of others feelings, safety, and etc.  shit is gonna get bad because of rampant deception,  selfishness, and fear.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, buck said:

mgk is right, shit is gonna get bad, but it's not because of some so-called "white" supremacists.  it's because of people not wanting to do what is "right".  people go after their own interests at the expense of others feelings, safety, and etc.  shit is gonna get bad because of rampant deception,  selfishness, and fear.

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This is 100% spot on.

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Yep. And the alt-right will grow because of the constant and ridiculous coverage and ties to Trump they are receiving. Seems to me the lunatic left is much larger in numbers but the racist right is crazier. If you're wearing a mask then fuck you. You obviously don't want friends and family to know who you are, so you're either a coward or don't really believe what you're saying anyway. The media profits from this "news." I don't think any of them even give a shit they've lost all credibility. And I don't blame all journalists. Like cops, there are terrible ones. I guess you could say we have a systemic problem with journalism in this country, too? Free press my ass, more like paid press. 

 

Here's a crazy idea, don't blatantly break the law. I'm not very religious. But it's hard to argue the 10 commandments when trying to shape a decent society.

 

Anyway, violence sucks and it's not the answer. But IF there has to be violence... I'll take a war between Nazis and Communists over a random shooting every day of the week.

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