mastersamwise Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Can anyone share strategies on defense for picking a D-lineman? (Minus the lurch of course). I would like to vary my play style a bit, even though I know LBs and DBs are usually the best for most situations. I always seem to get blocked when I pick a DL, or get burned for a gain cuz my drone DBs get caught spacing off or I don't hit the QB fast enough. This is even for upper-tier guys too, Bruce Smith, Reggie White, etc. for some reason I'm ineffective. I'd like to play a season with Seattle and use Jacob Green but I feel like I'll get beat-down. I would love to see some vids of elite DL play. Is it best to just call smart plays and let the CPU control your DL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OL' Dirty Tecmo Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Green is in position to stop the run3 sweep. However, it should be used situationally as it's an all in type of play. I'll use it when I need a surprise stop on 3rd or 4th down. But you can easily get drone bumped and give up a huge gain. Other than that a fast DL is great for using in pass coverage as long as the opposing QB and WR combo isn't killer. mastersamwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersamwise Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Thanks for your reply, Right on, that seems to be some of the trouble I have, when I pick a DL, it seems like you are committing 'all-in' to a pass rush, perhaps I should try doing a little more coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingmoe02 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I love using the 3rd DL (like Jacob Green's position). It works great for stopping running plays to the top if you run straight up or back and up. If I'm controlling a DL, I'm doing it to drop into coverage, not rush the passer. Certain DL with high INT like Agnew, Reggie White, Long, etc. can be more effective in coverage (31int). Richard Dent also has 44int, but he's in the top DL spot which is just okay IMO. mastersamwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingmoe02 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 BTW, I think playing a season with SEA, where Green is your only real option to use, is a great way to practice using a DL effectively. Most human opponents don't expect you to use one, so it can throw some of them off. mastersamwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersamwise Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Hell yeah excellent advice gentlemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OL' Dirty Tecmo Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Got another one. Fire up a season with Green Bay and use Bob Nelson and grapple with the OL against run plays. Works well against runs designed to go up the middle leaving Nelson behind the lead blocker for the tackle. Human opponents will bounce outside but you can contain. mastersamwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersamwise Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 The Bears fan in me has kept me from playing as the Packers for quite some time, but the tecmo fan in me says they would be a really fun team to play a season with. So yeah I'm probably gonna do that. I just got a NES advantage for xmas, I'm pumped to see how that thing plays tecmo OL' Dirty Tecmo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moulds33 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Yep, using DL is fun as hell. I always thought Toolie was about as good as anyone using it, here's a video of him using Bruce in the SB a few years ago. Like Diaz said, it's probably best to use it as a change up but vs a weak QB/WR combo it's nice to have another defender in coverage. Another strategy if you have a couple of decent DL is to immediately bump a grapple at the snap (center grapple seems to work best in my experience). If it works, you'll smother the run, but if you get popcorned it's gonna be a long gain. Kind of a desperation move, but something to consider that's not a lurch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 In Tournament play, where lurching is prohibited... remind me what those rules are? If the play is a run play (or playbook indicated run play) can a DL bypass (run by) a lineman between the tackles to make a play? Quote Lurching: Lurching is prohibited. If you want to rush with a DL, you must either go outside the offensive tackle or “popcorn” someone on the offensive line. Note that this rule does not apply to LBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OL' Dirty Tecmo Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 46 minutes ago, noonan said: In Tournament play, where lurching is prohibited... remind me what those rules are? If the play is a run play (or playbook indicated run play) can a DL bypass (run by) a lineman between the tackles to make a play? No basically you have to let them make a football move. So either bump, grapple, or go around the OL. bruddog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonan Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Thanks for the reply Diaz, Are these videos example of legal or illegal use of a DL? (if videos are shown) OL' Dirty Tecmo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecmo-Mad-Brad Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 So I'm looking at this from a run defense standpoint..... Would anyone say its a decent idea to go situational here....like say the ball is spotted on the top hash-mark, so you might want to a top DL? That way a run at you(to the top) means there's less room for the RB to operate in? Or would it be more advantageous to do the opposite? Bottom hash mark, choose a top DL, then in pursuit to the bottom, the RB has less room to work with, and if the run play comes to the top you can run around in a circle a bit to avoid blockers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OL' Dirty Tecmo Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 On 12/30/2015 at 4:23 PM, noonan said: Thanks for the reply Diaz, Are these videos example of legal or illegal use of a DL? (if videos are shown) Noonan didn't know this was here. I'd say the first one is legal and the second is illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OL' Dirty Tecmo Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 22 minutes ago, Tecmo-Mad-Brad said: So I'm looking at this from a run defense standpoint..... Would anyone say its a decent idea to go situational here....like say the ball is spotted on the top hash-mark, so you might want to a top DL? That way a run at you(to the top) means there's less room for the RB to operate in? Or would it be more advantageous to do the opposite? Bottom hash mark, choose a top DL, then in pursuit to the bottom, the RB has less room to work with, and if the run play comes to the top you can run around in a circle a bit to avoid blockers. I would base that off the formation the offense comes out in. Not in hash placement since that rarely impacts playcalls. Or at least, hard to tell if it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Still confused as to why using DL on a run play without a dive, such as above could constitute "lurching" while the auto LB4 (without a doubt) lurch is kosher. Some weird regulations. Edited February 2, 2016 by drake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruddog Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 They either are both legal or both illegal. Per madison rules "If you want to rush with a DL you must either go outside the offensive tackle or popcorn someone on the OL" The DL does neither on both vids. Personally I wouldnt have a problem with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Both look like legit (fair) D to me. OL' Dirty Tecmo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OL' Dirty Tecmo Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 40 minutes ago, bruddog said: They either are both legal or both illegal. Per madison rules "If you want to rush with a DL you must either go outside the offensive tackle or popcorn someone on the OL" The DL does neither on both vids. Personally I wouldnt have a problem with them Good point I was thinking hstl rules where shotgun plays are open game. Madison would probably disqualify both plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OL' Dirty Tecmo Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, drake said: Both look like legit (fair) D to me. I wish they were. They should be. We cripple defense too much. And Noonan specifically asked about live play. Edited February 3, 2016 by Ol' Dirty Tecmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ol' Dirty Tecmo said: I wish they were. They should be. We cripple defense too much. And Noonan specifically asked about live play. Yeah...I shouldn't confuse the issue. What is and what should be are always two different things. Though indeed, the DL is neutered unfairly. A fast inside LB can go between the o line as fast (probably faster) than the DL on those same plays. OL' Dirty Tecmo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO FB Offtackle Left Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I wouldn't call either of those plays lurching. If you're running back and up first it's not lurching. Lurching is when you dive straight in and make the tackle without doing anything else first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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